The essential participator in quantum mechanics and cosmology

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The discussion explores the role of the observer in quantum mechanics and cosmology, emphasizing the participatory nature of observations and the implications for a unified theory of physics. It touches on philosophical aspects of consciousness and the interconnectedness of observers within the universe.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that all observations involve a participator who is an intermediary in physics, proposing a correspondence between the subjective experiences of observers in both quantum and cosmological contexts.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea of a participatory observer, attributing it to a concept of Universal or Cosmic Consciousness, which they argue could explain the complexities of quantum mechanics and cosmology.
  • A different participant proposes that the set of observers themselves represents the unification of quantum mechanics and cosmology.
  • One participant raises the question of how to integrate concepts of relativity and gravity into this framework.
  • Another participant reflects on the idea of a community of observers and questions whether agreement on measurements can exist when considering the subjective nature of observations.
  • One participant expresses a phenomenological worldview, suggesting that physics is fundamentally an interaction between observers, influenced by the dynamics of the measurer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas regarding the role of the observer, consciousness, and the nature of measurements in physics. There is no consensus on the implications or interpretations of these ideas, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

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The discussion includes speculative and philosophical elements that may not align with traditional scientific frameworks. Participants express varying degrees of familiarity with mathematical concepts, which may affect their interpretations.

Loren Booda
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Newton was separate from his clockwork universe; in the last century we have realized that we experimenters really subjectify the outcome of our experiment by attempting to exclude ourselves from it. Both quantum mechanics and cosmology involve an observer who participates by disturbing an measurement or acts as a part to a whole.

I offer that all observations involve a participator - oneself - who is an inescapable intermediary to all physics. The key is to find the correspondence between the objective subjectivity of our microverse and macroverse. How you compare the role of the measurer between these diverse regions determines the basis for a wholly unified theory.
 
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Loren, you surprise me a bit with this one. I had thought that you leaned more toward the empirical practical side. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you and attribute it to the Universal Consciousness, possibly a better term would be Cosmic Consciousness where everything is part of the consciousness and therefore aware and conscious of everything else in the universe. I know it sounds a bit mystical but how else do we explain the weirdness of QM and cosmos.
 
Royce,

Good to know the cosmos is alive and well in "Atlant," GA. Yea, I can be very speculative; my website http://www.quantumdream.net is "proof" of that.

Your inspiration gave me an idea:

(The set of) observers themselves are (is) the unification (intersection) of quantum and cosmos!
 
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Sounds good to me. This could lead us anywhere and is definitely worth thinking about.
Where and how can we tie in relativity and gravity? I'll check out your sight. Thanks
 
Wow. I went to your home page. I see that you already have all the above covered. As I am no mathematician this will take a while.
 
Within a community of observers, may any two agree on a given measurement underlain by systems of physics which respect more the particular loci of the community than inert matter? It's as if all of our communications with PF have been intermediated by a Turing Machine - but here reproducible lab measurements are reinterpreted by a Turing Machine physical analog - so for both I am (we are?) none the wiser as a result of this interface.

I propose that my phenomenological worldview remains, at least seems, the same due to that underlying mechanism which respects individuals and evolves perceived science toward their overall objectivity. Physics is then an interaction between observers; if not, what reputable mechanics has not been witnessed - in experiment, in theory, in calculation - held together by the dynamics of the measurer? We are vessels complete of myriad worlds!
 

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