Thought experiment in relativistic quantum mechanics?

In summary: Can you point me in the right direction?This is a breakdown condition for the 1st quantization of relativistic quantum mechanics.
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Background
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Consider the following thought experiment in the setting of relativistic quantum mechanics (not QFT). I have a particle in superposition of the position basis:

[tex] H | \psi \rangle = E | \psi \rangle [/tex]

Now I suddenly turn on an interaction potential [itex] H_{int} [/itex] localized at [itex] r_o = (x_o,y_o,z_o) [/itex] at time [itex]t_o[/itex]:

$$
H_{int}(r) =
\begin{cases}
k & r \leq r_r' \\
0 & r > r'
\end{cases}
$$

where [itex]r[/itex] is the radial coordinate and [itex]r'[/itex] is the radius of the interaction of the potential with origin [itex] (x_o,y_o,z_o) [/itex]. By the logic of the sudden approximation out state has not had enough time to react. Thus the increase in average energy is:

[tex] \langle \Delta E \rangle = 4 \pi k \int_0^{r'} |\psi(r,\theta,\phi)|^2 d r [/tex]

(assuming radial symmetry).

Now, let's say while the potential is turned on at [itex] t_0[/itex] I also perform a measurement of energy at time [itex] t_1 [/itex] outside a region of space with a measuring apparatus at some other region [itex] (x_1,y_1,z_1)[/itex]. Using some geometry it can be shown I choose [itex] t_1 > t_0 + r'/c [/itex] such that:

[tex] c^2(t_1 - t_0 - r'/c)^2 -(x_1 - x_0)^2 - (y_1 - y_0)^2 - (z_1 - z_0)^2 < 0 [/tex]

Hence, they are space-like separated. This means I could have one observer who first sees me turn on the potential [itex] H_{int} [/itex] and measure a bump in energy [itex] \langle \Delta E \rangle [/itex] but I could also have an observer who sees me first measure energy and then turn on the interaction potential.

Obviously the second observer will observe something different.

Question
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How does relativistic quantum mechanics deal with this paradox?
 
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It deals with it by using QFT. A 1st-quantization formalism is doomed to fail, precisely because of the causality considerations you just observed!
 
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vanhees71 said:
It deals with it by using QFT. A 1st-quantization formalism is doomed to fail, precisely because of the causality considerations you just observed!

Can I have a reference for this? I've skimmed through a book of RQM (https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783540674573) which makes not mention of this :/
 
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It's because it's a book about "relativistic quantum mechanics". A nice heuristic argument is given in the beginning of the well-known textbook by Peskin and Schroeder (though in general I'd rather recommend Schwartz as a relativistic QFT intro book).
 
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vanhees71 said:
It's because it's a book about "relativistic quantum mechanics". A nice heuristic argument is given in the beginning of the well-known textbook by Peskin and Schroeder (though in general I'd rather recommend Schwartz as a relativistic QFT intro book).

I'll have a look.

In a similar spirit to page 21 I can modify the last inequality by stating the time taken for the sudden approximation to be valid is

[tex]\tau = t_{1/2} - t_0 >> \frac{\hbar}{\langle \Delta E \rangle} [/tex]

The time after the sudden approximation is measured is given by [itex] \Delta t_1 = t_1 - t_{1/2} [/itex] then:[tex] c^2 (\Delta t_1 - \frac{\hbar}{ \langle \Delta E \rangle} - r'/c)^2 < (x_1 - x_0)^2 + (y_1 - y_0)^2 + (z_1 -z_0)^2 [/tex]

I haven't seen this expression before as a breakdown condition for QM
 

1. What is a thought experiment in relativistic quantum mechanics?

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