Solve for Slowest Constant Speed to Catch a Train

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The problem involves a train accelerating from a station and a passenger attempting to catch it after a delay. The subject area includes kinematics and motion equations, focusing on constant acceleration and relative motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply kinematic equations to find the passenger's required speed but expresses confusion about the initial conditions used. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the train's initial position and velocity.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. One participant suggests an alternative approach by adjusting the time variable to account for the passenger's delay. Another participant restates the problem to clarify their understanding and proposes a method to solve for the passenger's speed.

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There is a discussion about the initial conditions of the train's motion and the timing of the passenger's start. Some participants note potential errors in the original poster's calculations and assumptions regarding the train's position after 6 seconds.

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A train pulls away from a station with a constant acceleration of 0.21 m/s2. A passenger arrives at the track 6.0 s after the end of the train passed the very same point. What is the slowest constant speed at which she can run and catch the train?

Xtrain=Xo+volt+1/2(a*t^2)
Xtrain=3.78m + 1.26t + .5*(.21m/s^2)t^2
Vtrain=Vo + at
Vtrain=1.26m/s + (.21m/s^2)t

Xperson=Vperson*t
Vperson=X/t

**at the time the person catches the train the
Vtrain=Vperson &
Xtrain=Xperson

Vtrain=Vperson
1.26m/s + (.21m/s^2)t=X/t
since the X's are the same substitute Xtrain for X on right side of equation.
1.26m/s+(.21m/s^2)t=[3.78m + (1.26m/s)t +(.105m/s^2)t^2]/t
(1.26m/s)t + (.21m/s^2)t^2=3.78m + (1.26m/s)t +(.105m/s^2)t^2
(.105m/s^2)t^2=3.78m
t^2=36s^2
t=6s

plug it in
X=volt + 1/2*a*t^2
X=1.26m/s*(6s) + .105m/s^2(36s^2)
X=7.56m+3.78m=11.34m

**which in theory would make min velocity needed 11.34m/6s=1.89m/s

but this isn't correct
Can anyone see what I have done wrong w/this problem?

Thanks!
 
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nevermind I got it. I forgot to add the initial 3.78m the train traveled before the person started running.
 
Why did you decide that Xo of the train is 3.78m and its Vo is 1.26m/s? :confused: Instead of calculating how much the train has passed in 6 seconds (which is what I suspect you have done, and maybe also where your error lies), I would just give it a 6 seconds fore on the person by changing "t" in its equations with "t + 6".

So we have:

[tex]x_{train} = x_{person}[/tex]
[tex]v_{train} = v_{person}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}a(t + 6s)^2 = vt[/tex]
[tex]a(t + 6s) = v[/tex]

Substituting v we get:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}a(t + 6s)^2 = a(t + 6s)t[/tex]

And indeed t = 6s. Now just plug that into the second equation above:

[tex]v = a(t + 6s) = a(6s + 6s) = 2.52 m/s[/tex]
 
I find your explanation bewildering. I am restating the problem as I understand it.

At time = 0 the end of the train is at x = 0 and v = 0. Six seconds later, xend = 0 + 0*t + (0.21)*t^2/2 = 3.78 meters
vend0 = left to you to calc.

At this point, xpass = 0, vpass = something, call it vpass

xpass = vpass*t

By the time the passenger catches the train,

xpass = xend
vpass = vend

So,
vpass*t = 3.78 + vend0*t + 0.21*t*t/2
vend = vpass = 0.21*t

I believe that's all you need -- solve for t then solve for vpass.
 

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