Which Book on Lie Groups and Lie Algebras is a Classic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around recommendations for classic texts on Lie groups and Lie algebras, with a focus on the mathematical rigor appropriate for graduate or undergraduate study. Participants express interest in understanding E8 and its implications in theoretical physics, particularly in quantum field theory.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a classic text on Lie groups and Lie algebras, noting the overwhelming number of choices available.
  • Another participant questions the level of rigor desired and the specific interests, such as pure mathematics versus applications in physics.
  • Some participants express a desire to learn about Lie algebras specifically for understanding E8 and its relevance to quantum field theory.
  • One participant mentions Robert Cahn's "Semi-Simple Lie Algebras and their Representations" as a free resource that includes a chapter on exceptional algebras, noting it is written for physicists but does not reference physics applications.
  • Another participant references "Representation Theory: A First Course" by Fulton and Harris, describing it as a standard math text that becomes more readable in its middle sections.
  • Several participants express challenges in understanding Lie algebras and the significance of commutation relations over operators.
  • There is mention of Lisi's paper, "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything," as a motivating factor for learning about Lie algebras.
  • Technical issues regarding accessing the recommended book in PostScript format are discussed, with suggestions for software to view or convert the files.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interest in Lie groups and Lie algebras, particularly in relation to E8 and quantum field theory. However, there are varying opinions on the best resources and the level of rigor required, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the foundational aspects of Lie algebras, particularly the importance of commutation relations. The discussion also highlights the dependence on individual backgrounds and goals in selecting appropriate texts.

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I'm looking for a solid book on Lie groups and Lie algebras, there is too many choices out there. What is a classic text, if there is one?
 
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what said:
I'm looking for a solid book on Lie groups and Lie algebras, there is too many choices out there. What is a classic text, if there is one?

Tough question.

How much rigor?

Are you interested because of the beautiful math?

Because of applications to elementary particles and quantum field theory?

Just Lie groups and Lies algebras, or representations, too.
 
Just pure maths, grad or undergrad, but rigor not blown out of proportions. My end goal is to understand E8, and see what's it all about. Some texts I looked at are aimed at physicists, like Gilmore, or Lipkin. Amazon generates a continuous spectrum of those, I need to settle on one book (eigen-book if you will), with a reasonable eigen-price. :smile:
 
I would also like to learn about Lie Algebra for the same reason as what. E8 seems very interesting and Lie Algebra just seems so fundamental for quantum field theory. A great tool to have, but how should one learn it? what, have you checked out Lisi's paper, "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything?" I am having trouble understanding much of anything from it, and I think learning Lie Algebra would be a great start.

Here's his paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770
 
I too am having trouble with Lie algebras - I'm just getting into classical field theory, never mind QFT. I'm going to need to brush up on my maths to get anywhere with this.

The main problem that's foxing me with them at the moment, and I'd like to find a good answer for, is why it's the commutation relations that are fundamental and not the operators themselves.
 
what said:
Just pure maths, grad or undergrad, but rigor not blown out of proportions. My end goal is to understand E8, and see what's it all about.
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Semi-Simple Lie Algebras and their Representations[/URL] by Robert Cahn is a free book (wasn't free when I picked it up!) on Lie algebras that has a chapter on the exceptional algebras. This book was written for physicists, but doesn't refer to any physics applications.
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Representation Theory: A First Course[/URL] by Fulton and Harris, a standard math text, starts off terse, but becomes very readable and (maybe too) expansive in its middle. It's cool to see quark multiplet diagrams (as representations of sl\left(3 , \mathbb{C}\right) \cong \mathbb{C} \otimes su\left(3\right)) appearing in a pure math book, even though the book doesn't identify them as such.

I have never really looked at the representations of the exceptional Lie algebras, so I can't comment on the treatment in either book.
 
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pediejo said:
I would also like to learn about Lie Algebra for the same reason as what. E8 seems very interesting and Lie Algebra just seems so fundamental for quantum field theory. A great tool to have, but how should one learn it? what, have you checked out Lisi's paper, "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything?" I am having trouble understanding much of anything from it, and I think learning Lie Algebra would be a great start.

Yes, I'm familiar with this paper, it's the main reason why I want to learn all the Lie stuff.


George Jones said:
"[URL
Semi-Simple Lie Algebras and their Representations[/URL] by Robert Cahn is a free book (wasn't free when I picked it up!) on Lie algebras that has a chapter on the exceptional algebras. This book was written for physicists, but doesn't refer to any physics applications.

Thanks George, that's an excellent book on Lie Algebra, already learned something at first glance.
 
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I am actually having trouble viewing this book. What do I need in order to view it?
 
The chapters are in PostScript (.ps) format, you will need a PS viewer like GhostScript to open them. Alternatively, if you have a LaTeX distribution installed, you could use the ps2pdf program which is included in that to convert the PS to PDF.
 
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You don't need LaTeX by the way, the PS2PDF converter is also freely available as a separate program:
http://www.ps2pdf.com/
 

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