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FermiDirac statistics valid for electron gas in metals? 
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#1
Feb208, 02:36 PM

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Hello!
In my course of solid states physics we use the fermidirac statistics for a free electron gas in metals. The fermi wave length of the electrons is about 1 Angström. Now, the wavelength may be intepreted as something as a coherence range  the electron should forget about the state of the other electrons on a scale of about 1 Angström, right? But then, how can we use FDstatistics if there is no coherence of the electron gas along the whole metal (or crystal)? Thanks for all answers! Blue2script 


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Feb208, 03:23 PM

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PF Gold
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FD statistics has nothing to do with the coherence length.
Two electrons can not occupy the same quantum state, i.e. they obey the exclusion principle which is why they obey FD statistics. Mathematically this is related to the the symmetry of the total wavefunction (more specifically if it changes sign when you swap the particles around) which in turn is related to the spin of the electron; electrons are fermions since they have halfinteger spin (1/2) 


#3
Feb208, 03:35 PM

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Yeah, ok, but how do I know if electrons are to be described by the same wave function? I mean, taking two seperated crystals would give seperate FD statistics. But bringing them together would yield all electrons to be described by one wavefunction thus obeying one FD statistic.
So, the question is: When is the distance between two electrons big enough so that the two can be in the same quantum numbers? Any relation to the coherence length? Thanks again! Blue2script 


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Feb208, 03:44 PM

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FermiDirac statistics valid for electron gas in metals?
It is not the same quantum number; it is the same quantum state. It is not the same thing.
Two electrons that are spatially separated are not in the same state. 


#5
Feb208, 03:49 PM

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Hmmm... ? But isn't quantum state und the set of all quantum numbers the same? I mean, the state of an electron is determined by its quantum numbers, right? And so the state of two electrons is the same if they have the same quantum number? I am confused...
Sure this only holds if the two electrons are not seperated spatially. But so are electrons in a crystal? Could you explain your statement in more detail, f95toli? I have the feeling to be one the wrong path... Thank you! Blue2script 


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Feb308, 09:34 AM

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Note that "real space" descriptions become rather complicated, it is much easier to describe what is going on in kspace. 


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