Quark Radius & Big Bang: Christoph Schiller's Force Theory

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The discussion revolves around Christoph Schiller's force theory, particularly the implications of a maximum force in nature and the potential finite radius of quarks. Participants explore the theoretical consequences of these ideas on the size of quarks and the conditions of the universe at the time of the Big Bang, touching on concepts from quantum field theory and general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if quarks are not point-like and have a radius, the minimum size of a quark could be calculated using the maximum force of 10^45 Newtons, leading to a proposed radius of 10^-37 meters.
  • Another participant counters that the meaningful length scale is the Planck length (10^-33 cm), which is derived from fundamental constants.
  • A participant argues that their proposed minimum radius of the universe at the time of the Big Bang (10^-11 meters) implies a higher temperature than expected for the cosmic microwave background, raising questions about the fate of that energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the proposed maximum force being potentially much lower (10^31 Newtons) than initially suggested (10^45 Newtons), based on the energy calculations related to the cosmic microwave background.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of quark size and the maximum force in nature, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed theories or calculations.

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Participants reference various theoretical frameworks, including quantum field theory and general relativity, but do not resolve the applicability of these frameworks to the claims made about quark size and cosmic conditions.

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If Christoph Schiller is right about the maximum force in nature being 10^ 45 Newtons (c^4 / 4G) then if quarks have
a radius and are not point like this would mean (assuming a quark is spherical and
made of partial electric charges on the surface of the sphere) that the minimum size a quark can become
is given by:
k q^2/ r^2 = 10^ 45
i.e radius of quark = 10^ - 37 metres.
I have not used quantum field theory because I do not think
it applies to forces between the partial charges of a quark sphere.
The minimum radius of the universe at the time of the Big Bang would then be
10^26 x 10^ - 37 = 10 ^ - 11 metres.
(10^26 because I am assuming a density of 1 quark per cubic metre in the
current universe where there are 10^ 78 quarks).
Quarks with a finite radius overcome the problem of a singularity in relativity!
 
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kurious, your minimum length is too big. The currently meaningful length is the Planck length which is

[tex]10^{-33}[/tex] cm

This is determined by the relative sizes of the constant of gravity, the speed of light and Planck's constant.
 
The Planck length is only the point at which gravity is not expected to obey general relativity (as it is currently formulated).But my bigger length means that the universe was hotter than expected at 10^-11 metres and so presumably we would expect the microwave background to be hotter now - by a factor of 10^72 ( one volume divided by the other) What happened to all that heat? Did the energy become vacuum particles? 10^72 x mass equivalent of cosmic microwave background gives 10^124 kg
This is 10^141 Joules!10^21 times more energy than an often quoted figure of 10^120 Joules.This could mean that the original maximum force should have been 10^31 Newtons and not 10^45.
 
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