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| Nov20-08, 02:42 PM | #1 |
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Hello! I got few questions, about limits. º [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}(\frac{sin(x)}{x})=1[/tex] If I take values for x close to zero I get: f(x)=sinx/x f(0.1)=0.017453283 f(0.01)=0.017453292 as I can see it is not even close to 1. What is the problem? Where I am doing wrong? º [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{x})=0[/tex] Now, for all integers I agree that [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{x})=0[/tex] (thanks to HallsofIvy for [itex]\infty[/itex]), but what for 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 ? [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{1/4}=4[/tex] and not 0 ? º [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-}(e^{\frac{1}{x}})[/tex] How will I find the bound of the expression above? 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-}(e^{\frac{1}{x}})[/tex] I understand that x<0 (so the values for x are tending to 0 from the left side), and [tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(x_n)=0[/tex] For example, I know how to find the bound for: [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 2^+}(\frac{x}{x-2})[/tex] D=R\{2} xn>2 [tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(x_n)=2[/tex] [tex]x_n-2>0[/tex] [tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(x_n-2)=0[/tex] so that: [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 2^+}(\frac{x}{x-2})=\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{x_n}{x_n-2})=\frac{2}{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(2-x_n)}=+\infty[/tex] Thanks in advance. |
| Nov20-08, 04:02 PM | #2 |
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[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+}(\frac{1}{x})=\infty[/tex] which is more related to what you're doing with 1/2, 1/3, and so on. |
| Nov21-08, 01:35 AM | #3 |
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Thanks for the post Mark44.
Yes, I was using calculator in degree mode. Now with radian mode everything is all right. For the second one. Sorry, I wasn't so clear. I was learning about the number "e". So for one task (example): [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{x-3})=\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{x-3})^{(x-3)+3}=\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{t})^t*\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{t})^3=e*(1+0)^3=e[/tex] As we can see they put [tex]\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{t})=0[/tex]. How is this possible? What about for t=1/2,1/3,1/4 ? It wouldn't be zero in that case. Thanks in advance. |
| Nov21-08, 01:57 AM | #4 |
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some concrete limits[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{x-3})^x[/tex] Now I think I understand what you're saying. The first limit was as x approached infinity and involved an expression with (x - 3). They substituted t = x - 3 and changed the limit variable from x to t (as x gets very large, so does t). In the third limit expression (before they took the limit), there are two factors: [tex]}(1+\frac{1}{t})^t[/tex] and [tex]}(1+\frac{1}{t})^3[/tex]. The second one is straightforward to evaluate in the limit, and turns out to be just 1. If you multiply it out before taking the limit, you have 1 + 3*1/t + 3*1/t^2 + 1/t^3, which approaches 1 as t gets large. The first one is more tricky, and you can't just say that 1/t approaches 0 as t gets large. There are two competing effects going on: the base, 1 + 1/t, is getting closer to 1, but the exponent t is getting larger. The net effect is that (1 + 1/t)^t approaches the number e as t gets large. If I recall correctly, one of the definitions of e is precisely this limit. |
| Nov21-08, 03:23 AM | #5 |
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Now I understand. I misjudged [itex]\infty[/itex].
But for [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-}(e^{1/x})[/tex], I need to "show", "explain" the result of the limit. How will I do that? Regards. |
| Nov21-08, 04:16 AM | #6 |
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For x very close to 0, but negative, say -0.00001, 1/x is -100000, a very large negative number. What is e-100000? what is e any very large negative number?
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| Nov21-08, 05:03 AM | #7 |
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Thanks for the post. It definitely will tend to zero.
And what about [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+}(\frac{1}{1+e^{1/x}})[/tex]? [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+}(e^{1/x})=\infty[/tex] ? |
| Nov21-08, 09:24 AM | #8 |
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For the first one, as x approaches 0 (from the right), 1/x grows without bound (approaches infinity), so 1 + 1/x also grows without bound, which makes the fraction approach 0.
For the second, that's the right value. |
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