Do Black Holes Generate Dark Energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between black holes and dark energy, exploring whether black holes could generate dark energy and the implications of such a connection. Participants delve into theoretical concepts, potential mechanisms, and the nature of dark energy, with a focus on speculative ideas and analogies.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if black holes create dark energy, the expansion caused by dark energy would counterbalance gravitational forces, preventing singularity formation.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, noting that most physicists do not support the notion that black holes generate dark energy, which is typically associated with vacuum energy and acts on a cosmic scale.
  • A different viewpoint raises the possibility of black holes expanding through mechanisms involving phonon injection and interactions between gravitons and photons, suggesting a cyclical nature to these processes.
  • One participant proposes that dark energy could originate from gravitons and vacuum particles that do not annihilate, implying a constant sum of dark energy and vacuum energy over time.
  • A follow-up comment reiterates the idea of a constant sum of dark energy and vacuum energy, posing a question about describing a straight line in a vacuum or gravitational lensing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between black holes and dark energy, with no consensus reached. Some ideas are contested, and various speculative mechanisms are proposed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference complex theoretical concepts and analogies that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about dark energy and black holes. The discussion includes unresolved speculative elements and lacks definitive mathematical or physical conclusions.

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If black holes create dark energy, then the tendency for dark energy to cause expansion of space in the black hole would be balanced by the tendency of gravity to pull the mass of the black hole to one point.So a singularity would not form.Since dark energy is a kind of energy, its energy must come from somewhere, and the source of its energy could be particles
falling into the black hole.
 
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That's a big if. Most physicists would not agree with your idea. Dark energy is believed to be associated with the energy of the vacuum (quantum theory idea), although the connections is very qualitative. Dark energy can be considered an artifact of general relativity, but this doesn't give any physical explanation.

Dark energy appears to pervasive and acts on a very large scale, i.e. speeding up the expansion of the universe. It accounts for about 70% of the total mass-energy of the universe. Black holes in contrast are very small, even the big ones at the centers of galaxies. I haven't see any estimates of total mass, but I suspect it would be less than 1% of the universe.
 
If the Blackhole is expanding then it must be doing it somehow.

I would appreciate correction here in terms of the following.


Consider phonon injection tranferred through the boundary of the black hole(bubble), and adding information(energy), across the horizon into the black hole as a analogy.

In this case photon being stripped(as greater gravitational impact of energy concentration), would allow this interactive feature between the graviton and the photon.

In this consideration(shell collapse and Gamma ray burst), the cycle of this event as information of a cyclical nature, would have been foretelling in regards to red and blue shifting, and as well, as revealing subsequent intensity of the collapse after the burst?

Now if we consider the example of the fabric indenting mass objects into it, think of the significance of the 3 dimensional brane being used here and the increase in graviton production according to the energy signficance of early supersymmetrical universe.


I'll have to come back to this. hmmmm...

e+ or not to e-, this is a question of the matrices revealing a negative (i)time value in this interaction?
 
Dark energy could be created from gravitons and other vacuum particles
which exist as particles and not as particle-antiparticle pairs which annihilate one another.The sum dark energy + vacuum energy would be constant throughout time.
 
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kurious said:
The sum dark energy + vacuum energy would be constant throughout time.

How would you describe a straight line in a vacuum? :smile: or Gravitational Lensing?
 
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