
#1
Dec1309, 07:50 PM

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Hi,
Two speakers, A and B, are located at x = +0.5 m and x = 0.5 m. A 680 Hz signal is sent to both speakers. You then walk around the origin, x = 0, in a circle of radius 5.0 m. v_sound = 340 m/s If you walk once around the complete circle, how many intensity maxima do you hear? This is what I did: m*wavelength = path difference Since the maximum path difference is 1.0 m and the wavelength is 0.5 metres, m can only be 0 or 1 or 2. This corresponds to 6 points on the circle (2 points per value of m). Is this the correct way of doing this question? The correct answer is 8, not 6, and I don't know where the extra 2 points come from! Please help me. Thank you very much! 



#2
Dec1309, 09:02 PM

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If you are walking around a circle at 5m doesn't the path to each source depend on sine and cosine relationships, or some other variable geometry? In other words, I am asking, is the path difference to be considered as the distance of the listener to each source, and not the distance between the two sources?




#3
Dec1309, 09:44 PM

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The path difference is supposed to be the difference in distance that sound waves from each source must travel to get to you. So, for example, if you are 3 metres from a certain source and there is another source 1 metre directly behind the first source, the path difference would be 43=1 metre. I hope that makes sense.
I know for sure that the maximum path difference is 1 m because I had to determine that in another part of the question and the answer key agrees with me on that part. 



#4
Dec1309, 09:45 PM

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Constructive Interference of Sound
Perhaps I have the entire concept wrong and there's some other mysterious formula that I am supposed to use...?




#5
Dec1309, 10:51 PM

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Are the two speakers being driven inphase or outofphase (polarity reversed)?
Bob S 



#6
Dec1309, 11:05 PM

P: 15

I think we're supposed to assume that they're emitting sound waves in phase and that the only phase difference arises from the path difference.




#7
Dec1309, 11:09 PM

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Maybe there are 4 points corresponding to m=1? By circular symmetry?




#8
Dec1309, 11:30 PM

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How do I find the four points?




#9
Dec1309, 11:40 PM

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Draw the speakers and the circle. Draw the points where m=0 (no path difference), and the points where m=2 (maximal path difference). Presumably the m=1 points are between those.
To start, let's use x and y axes. I would guess that the two m=0 points are at (x=0, y=5) and (x=0, y=5). Do you agree? 



#10
Dec1409, 12:22 AM

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Yes, and the points where m=2 are at (5,0) and (5,0)?




#11
Dec1409, 12:27 AM

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Yes. So if you try to place only two m=1 points between your m=0 and m=2 points, will you be able to respect the symmetry of the situation?




#12
Dec1409, 12:34 AM

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A bit more explicit, assume that an m=1 point lies on the circle between an m=0 and an m=2 point. Show by symmetry that there are 3 other points with the same path difference.




#13
Dec1409, 02:37 AM

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I see that by fitting two m=1 points between each m=0 and m=2 points, I would get a total of 8 intensity maxima positions, but I don't understand how we can assume that there are TWO instead of one m=1 points between an m=0 and an m=2 point.




#14
Dec1409, 03:42 AM

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think that is necessary.
Start the circle on the positive x axis, speakers are situated at 0.5 and +0.5 also on the x axis so you are in an m=2 mode. As I walk around the circle clockwise there is an m=0 maxima at 90 degrees. Presumably I have walked thruough an m=1 max on the way,. If you continue the circle tour there will be 7 maxima before retrurning to the starting point which will be eight. 



#15
Dec1409, 04:00 AM

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If O is the center of AB, OY the axis and P is the position of the observer, four position of P for m = 1 makes angles pi/4, 3pi/4, 5pi/4 and 7pi/4 with respect to Yaxis. So you get four points for maximum.




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Dec1409, 09:15 AM

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#17
Dec1409, 01:26 PM

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There are four quadrants in a circle, so I would say there should only be four m=1 points, that is, one m=1 point between each m=0 and m=2 points. I don't understand why there should be TWO m=1 points in each of the four quadrants of the circle.




#18
Dec1409, 01:51 PM

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