Solving General Relativity ODE with Table on p98

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The discussion revolves around solving ordinary differential equations (ODEs) related to General Relativity, specifically focusing on the Friedmann equations for a matter-dominated universe as presented in Wald's book. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that the solutions for the scale factor \( a \) and conformal time \( \tau \) match those provided in a table within the text.

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  • Participants discuss the need to understand the density and pressure conditions to analyze the solutions. There are suggestions to combine the Friedmann equations and express them in terms of conformal time. Some participants explore the implications of setting pressure to zero and the specific geometry of a closed universe.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to manipulate the equations and explore the relationships between the variables. There is a focus on deriving expressions for \( a \) and \( \tau \) in terms of conformal time \( \eta \). While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the solutions.

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Participants mention the importance of the conformal time \( \eta \) and its definition, indicating that it may not be covered in the original poster's reference material. There are also references to specific assumptions about the energy density and geometry that may influence the solutions being sought.

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im hoping someone has access to the book "General Relativity" by Wald as it'll be easier to see what's going on but notheless i'll try and put all the details in

on p97 we have the equations

[itex]3 \frac{\dot{a}^2}{a^2}=8 \pi \rho - \frac{3}{a^2}[/itex]
[itex]3 \frac{\ddot{a}}{a}=-4 \pi \rho[/itex]

where [itex]\dot{a}=\frac{da}{d \tau}[/itex]

and i need to show the solutions are as shown in the table on p98:

[itex]a=\frac{1}{2}C(1-\cos{\eta})[/itex]
[itex]\tau=\frac{1}{2}C(\eta-\sin{\eta})[/itex]

i've spent ages on thsi and keep getting nowhere
 
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Well you obviously need to know something about the density to say anything about the solutions. If I'm not mistaken, those solutions you mentioned are those for a matter-dominated closed universe. Does that help?
 
yes. that's correct, they are for a matter dominated universe. but i already took that into account and set P=0 where P is pressure in the equations i gave.
 
Combine the Friedmann equations into one by eliminating the energy density then write this equation in terms of conformal time. After that you can just plug your expression for a into the equation and see that it is a solution. As for t, you can get that from the definition of conformal time.
 
yeah so that gives

[itex]\dot{a}^2-\frac{C}{a}+k=0[/itex]
but k=+1 for 3-sphere (which is the one I am trying to do)
so i need to solve
[itex]\dot{a}^2-\frac{C}{a}+1[/itex]

i still don't know how to solve that
especially seeing as they get an answer in terms of [itex]\eta[/itex] not [itex]\tau[/itex]
surely there's a way of solving ti rather than just checking the expression for a is in fact a solution?
also you mentioned getting [itex]\tau[/itex] from the definition of conformal time. is that in this same book?
 
[tex]\dot{a}^2-\frac{C}{a}+k=0[/tex]

is a separable diff. equation:

[tex]\left( \frac{da}{d \tau} \right)^2 = \frac{C}{a} -k \Leftrightarrow \frac{da}{\sqrt{\frac{C}{a} -k}} = d\tau \Leftrightarrow d\tau = C^{-1/2} \frac{a^{1/2} da}{\sqrt{1-\frac{ka}{C}}}[/tex]

which can be solved with a substitution

[tex]\frac{ka}{C} = \sin^2 \phi[/tex].

EDIT: Never mind, I see you've assumed that rho goes like a^-3 (matter domination). I was thinking of a more general case where rho is unknown. So just solve the equation using the method described above. Or simpler yet, rewrite that equation in terms of conformal time eta and solve directly for that using a similar technique. Conformal time:

[tex]d\eta = \frac{1}{a}dt[/tex]
 
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so i was going to do it just for the 3-sphere geometry in which k=1 but if i leave it as k as you have above, will i get a more general answer that will save me ahving to do the integral multiple times.

anyway that [itex]a^{1/2}[/itex] is annoying
i get [itex]da=\sin{2 \phi} d \phi[/itex]

and then [itex]d \tau = C^{-1/2} \frac{a^{1/2} \sin{2 \phi}}{\cos^2{\phi}}[/itex]
 
[tex] a = C \sin^2 \phi \Rightarrow a^{1/2} = C^{1/2} \sin \phi[/tex]

Where I have set k to 1. Note also the square root in the denominator, so there is only one power of cosine there which is canceled by the cosine inside sin(2phi). However this will give you a as a function of t. If you want a as a function of eta then rewrite the differential equation in terms of eta (chain rule), which incidentally leads to a simpler integral:

[tex] d\eta = C^{-1/2} \frac{a^{-1/2} da}{\sqrt{1-\frac{a}{C}}}[/tex]

Again k=1.
 
so yeah that would actually give

[itex]d \tau = 2 \sin^2{\phi} d \phi[/itex]

but yeas i do want both [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]\tau[/itex] in terms of [itex]\eta[/itex]. you talk about [itex]\eta[/itex] as if it's some well known quantity, [itex]\eta=\frac{t}{a}[/itex], what does this represent and where does it come from? i haven't seen it before.

anyway [itex]\dot{a}=\frac{da}{d \eta} \frac{d \eta}{d \tau}=\frac{da}{d \eta} \frac{1}{a}[/itex]

so [itex]\frac{1}{a} \frac{da}{d \eta} -\frac{C}{a}+1=0[/itex]
which rearranges to the integral you had above
then i let [itex]\frac{a}{C}=\sin^2{\phi},da=2 \sin{\phi} \cos{\phi} d \phi, a^{\frac{1}{2}}=C^{\frac{1}{2}} \sin{\phi}[/itex]
and get
[itex]d \eta=\frac{C^{-1/2}C^{1/2}\sin{\phi}2\sin{\phi}\cos{\phi} d \phi}{\cos{\phi}}=2 \sin{\phi} \cos{\phi} d \phi[/itex]
then let [itex]u=\sin{\phi},du=\cos{\phi} d \phi[/itex]
and get
[itex]d \eta=2 u du \Rightarrow \eta=u^2=\sin^2{\phi}=\frac{a}{C}[/itex]
which isn't what I'm after...
 
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[itex] (\frac{1}{a} \frac{da}{d \eta})^2 -\frac{C}{a}+1=0[/itex]

gives

[tex]d\eta = C^{-1/2} \frac{a^{-1/2} da}{\sqrt{1-\frac{a}{C}}}[/tex]

Which gives the solution you are afrer.

Note that [tex]a^{-1/2} = \frac{C^{-1/2}}{sin\phi}[/tex] so everything cancels out.



Also [itex]\eta \neq \frac{t}{a}[/itex]. The definition of eta is [itex]d\eta = \frac{a_0}{a}dt[/itex] and a is a function of t (a0 can be normalized to 1).

Eta is the conformal time which is just a different time coordinate chosen such that it expands with the universe just like the space coodinate in Robertseon-Walker metric. It's used in cosmology because it simplifies some of the equations (as it does in this case). It's weird that you don't have it in your book, though maybe that's because it's a book on general relativity and not cosmology. In any case you can think of it purely as a mathematical parameter to arrive at the solutions you posted.
 
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hi again.

i integrated that and got
[itex]\eta=\frac{2 \phi}{C}[/itex] which i presumably now try and substitue back into my equations.

so i had [itex]\phi=\sin^{-1}(\sqrt{a/C})[/itex]
which i can put back in but then i get

[itex]a=C \sin^2(c \eta /2)[/itex] which is close to what i want but not quite so I am obviouslly screwing up somewhere but i can't see it. and how would i get the [itex]\tau[/itex] expression from that?
 
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Actually [itex]\eta=2 \phi[/itex]

Remember that one C also come from da so all the C's cancel also.

So [itex]a=C \sin^2(\eta /2)[/itex]

Now recall the trigonometric identity:

[itex]\cos(2x) = 1 - 2\sin^2(x)[/itex]

Also since eta is defined as,

[itex]d\eta = \frac{d\tau}{a} \Rightarrow \tau = \int_0^{\eta} a(\eta) d\eta[/itex]
 
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