Need some help with Doppler effect problem Exam Monday

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the Doppler effect in light, specifically concerning the perceived change in wavelength of light from a traffic signal as the observer approaches it in a vehicle. The original poster, Linda, seeks assistance in understanding the relevant formulas and concepts to determine the speed required to perceive a change in color from red to green.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Linda expresses confusion regarding the appropriate formula for the Doppler effect and the meaning of the terms involved, particularly the "resting" wavelength. Another participant provides a formula for the Doppler effect for light and suggests how to solve for the speed based on known wavelengths. Additionally, a question is raised about the applicability of the Doppler effect to celestial objects and the interpretation of relative velocities in different contexts.

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There has been some productive guidance offered regarding the Doppler effect formula, which Linda found helpful for her problem. However, the discussion continues with further inquiries about the implications of the Doppler effect in different scenarios, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic without a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

Linda's problem is framed within the context of an exam preparation scenario, and there are indications of uncertainty regarding the definitions and applications of the Doppler effect, particularly in relation to stationary and moving light sources.

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Hi everyone,

really would love it if someone could help me with this. I think it's probably a very easy problem, only I can't seem to find the right formlula, or understand the only one I found...

This is the problem:

I'm in my car, driving towards a crossing with a red traffic light (lambda = 700 nm). How fast do I need to drive to make the traffic light appear green (lambda = 500 nm) to me?

(I suppose this must have to do with the Doppler effect, but the only formula I can find on it says: v/c = (lambda - lambda0) / lambda0

v = speed of the source of radiation, c = speed of light, lambda = measured wavelength, lambda0 = something that strictly translated from Swedish to English means "resting" wavelength, don't know if that makes any sense? I just have no idea what lambda0 is!?)

Hope I explained it ok! Does anyone have any suggestions on how to solve this problem?

Thanks,
Linda, Sweden
 
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The formula for the Doppler effect for light is:

[tex]\frac{\lambda'}{\lambda}=\sqrt{\frac{1-v/c}{1+v/c}}[/tex]
where [itex]\lambda'[/itex] is the Doppler-shifted wavelength and [itex]v[/itex] is the relative velocity between source and observer. (v is positive if they are approaching each other)

For v<<c, this equation is approximated by
[tex]\frac{\lambda'}{\lambda}=1-\frac{v}{c}[/tex]

You know the wavelenghts, so you can solve for v.
 
Thanks a lot for that!
Was easy to solve with your help :smile: , now let's hope I pass my exam tomorrow as well!
Thanks again,
Linda, Sweden
 
I want to ask that will this phenomenon hold true for a celestial object like sun? Does Doppler Effect hold true also for the stationary light source? I mean, that if you are traveling to the signal (in above problem) with velocity Vp (19.44m/s) and the velocity of signal light is Vs (3x10^8 m/s) and if you apply the relative velocity concept, it gives:

Vr = Vp + Vr (In case of making the light source at 0 velocity)
= 300000019.44 m/s (Speed of object??)
OR
Vr = Vp - Vr (In case the observer is stationary)
= 299999980.56 m/s (Speed of light??)

Do clear this to me. I know there can be my misconception but please help me to solve this!
Thanks in advance
:)
 

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