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#1
Sep504, 08:06 AM

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Can anyone explaine to me why there is exacly 11 dimensions , why not 13 or 7? I have searched a lot but I have not found it anywhere.
Thanks, Stamba 


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Sep504, 08:58 AM

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look under the "strings, branes, LQG" section of PF. I know I've seen that same question asked.
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Sep504, 11:35 AM

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Well i assume than you are talking about Mtheory which says there must be 11 dimensions according to the approximate equations worked about by witten when he combined previous 5 theories into one theory
I think you might like to use one of the folliwng resources http://www.quantumninja.com/toe/StringIntroLecture.mp3 It is about 35 minutes of a lecture I wrote with help from some members here including selfAdjoint I also have a powerpoint that goes with it but this lecture was meant to be stand alone if you would like to kind of follow along with the powerpoint the powerpoint is here http://www.quantumninja.com/toe/powerpoint.ppt also a transcript of the speech itself is avaliable here http://www.quantumninja.com/toe/Speech.doc If you just want a quick answer just keep reading one ask me two go to the string forum three read the elegant universe 


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Sep504, 10:31 PM

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Why exacly 11 dimensions?
i believe tom has summed it up rather nicely but really more than 11 dimensions COULD exist although as of now they arent needed and therefore we dont add them. really i would just wait until m theory's full calculations have been done before i said that only 11 can exist.



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Sep904, 01:29 AM

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wow very interesting,,



#6
Sep1104, 10:55 PM

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So what would you say if there is a theory that can explain ALL the forces of nature as only the consequences of ONE property of VERY LIMITED number of fundamental particles and consistently predicts quantization of electron energy inside an atom, radiation interaction with material, the existance of other particles and their "binding energy", the wiglling of star motion and includes the gravity forces together on equal footage interpreting with few postulates why there is no repultion of masses and there is an static electomagnetic field around our earth using only three dimensions of the "natural" space and the universal time and give "relativisticlike" conclusions only within "classicallike" mechanics and give all physics the unity it deserves?
I DO NOT mean www.thefinaltheory.com but I mean the Unity Theory of Amr M. Morsi who was one of my students in EM theory at Ain Shams Univ. (where I'm an LA) and then an electronics eng. colleague and finally a personal physics tutor and friend. However there is another Egyptian Prof. MohammedSaladdin ElNashaei (I don't know how his name appears in literature) who I met in Cairo Univ. open lecture and talked about his infinite dimension theory where time is just like anyone of them out of his study of the deterministic chaos. but I did not read anything he wrote (because I cannot spell his english name and my tight time. so if anyone can guide me on his theory my mail is open to receive documents at sifeddinpapers@yahoo.com) There are still this John Carolle of Camdridge Univ. who claims there are three time dimensions as well asa the three space dimensions that allow to give spacetime vortices that explains why there is no isolated magnetic charge. So how many dimensions do think live in? Would you like to be Mr. Square or Lady Sphere or may be Mr. 4WD! 


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Jan2705, 04:10 PM

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My question is, are these extra dimensions in any particular "order" or would they be of different "classes"? For instance, it seems to me that the dimensions "length", "width", and "height" exist in relation to each other and would therefore be of one "class" of dimensions (spatial). Then we have "time", which seems to be its own kind of dimension. Then we have these "extra" spatial dimensions. Could an object theoretically exist in some dimensions but not others? Could there be a onedimensional object (using the term "object" loosely) that only exists in, say, time, or one of the unknown dimensions?



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Jan2805, 07:57 AM

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"My question is, are these extra dimensions in any particular "order" or would they be of different "classes"? For instance, it seems to me that the dimensions "length", "width", and "height" exist in relation to each other and would therefore be of one "class" of dimensions (spatial). Then we have "time", which seems to be its own kind of dimension. Then we have these "extra" spatial dimensions. Could an object theoretically exist in some dimensions but not others? Could there be a onedimensional object (using the term "object" loosely) that only exists in, say, time, or one of the unknown dimensions?"
Well acording to the MTheory, the extra dimensions are claimed to be extremly small, Where every object exists in all the extra dimensions its just to small for us to even notice. These extra dimensions are just curled up into the 3 standed height, length and width ones. 


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Jan2805, 09:04 AM

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#10
Jan2805, 10:01 PM

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Ain't 11 dimensions used for the strong & weak forces and electromagetism to be along the same strenth at one point in time. I'm sure I read something like that somewhere.



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Jan2905, 10:28 AM

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#12
Jan3005, 01:47 AM

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Why 10 dimensions? Well, 4 usual space/time dimensions and 6 compactified ones. Plus an extra M theory one that is kinda taken to be fuzzy (hard to define a length on it).
So why 10 dimensions? Well it turns out, this number is fixed. You can't deviate from it at all in order for the theory to be consistent. If someone in 10 years says "well we really need 14 dimensions to describe nature', then that something is not string theory. In conformal field theory, much of the mathematics of string theory, quantum anomaly conditions must match precisely and this number outputs 10 dimensions. No more, no less. 


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Feb105, 04:23 AM

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Hey guys have you ever thought though that m theory and supersymetry are the deluded ravings of mathemeticians who are being driven slowly insane by the wierdness of qm
String theory too could be just an imagined nonsense Let's maintain some sort of scientific approach to these mathematical sophistries at least until the evidence for them is there I think we should be wary of claiming that there are any more than 4 dimensions unless we can prove the existence of them we're in danger of dissapearing up our own backsides with this sophistry. Fantasticaly interesting and clever theories and to be praised and encouraged, but lets not forget that's all they are: theories; actually thinking about it there not even theories there hypothesis since there is no evidence for any of them I love mathemeticians kinda like ufo nuts with too much spare time and too little scientific experimentation. Step outside of the envelope people after all the answers in the post Me just then, A.Smartarse feb 2005 


#14
Feb105, 01:51 PM

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I prefer the 4 dimensional universe over the 10 or 11. But we shouldn't cut the strings just yet.



#15
Aug2805, 10:31 PM

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Assuming we accept the 11 dimensional calabiyau model, does this model REQUIRE that the other three dimensions be very large or is this just a bonus?
Either way, is there a minimum size needed for the 4 large dimensions to make this model work? 


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Aug2905, 01:05 AM

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Would there be any reason why three spatial dimensions is such a good start in physics?
It is well known that 2 dimensions would be quite difficult to live in. But why are we so happy with 3? 


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Aug2905, 01:46 AM

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#18
Aug3005, 01:59 AM

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εllipse,
I totally agree that 3D is a direct experimental evidence. But, I was wondering if some people had come with temptative explanations / interpretations about the number of 3 'obvious' dimensions. Of course, if the 11 dimensions are definitively proved, and if indeed a bunch of these are microscopic dimension, then it is factual reasons that lead us to 3 dimensions in our daily lifes. By the way, are the reasons for 11 dimensions factual or more fundamental? Does a 11D space have special properties as compared to other spaces? Finally, let me note that if I had to choose by myself an hypothetical dimension for the scene of physics, I would choose the infinite. I have the feeling that this would open a lot of possibilities ... 


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