2 solutions to the same problem but which is the correct one?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net force on a positively charged test charge \( Q \) placed alongside a uniformly charged rod of length \( L \) and total charge \( Q \). Participants explore different approaches to derive the force exerted on the test charge by the rod.

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  • One participant presents a method involving charge density and integration to find the force, while questioning the correctness of their solution. Another participant suggests a different approach, leading to a different expression for the force. There are inquiries about the placement of the test charge and clarifications on notation and integration limits.

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Participants are actively comparing two different solutions to the same problem, noting inconsistencies in the results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and notation, but there is no clear consensus on which solution is correct.

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There are mentions of potential misunderstandings in the integration limits and the notation used for charge elements. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach and the feedback from their professor.

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DO NOT USE GAUSS LAW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LEARNT IT
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on Q

First of all there is no y or z component so F refers to the x-axis only

One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to ppick up on.


My prof suggested this way

Divide the rod like so

++++++++++++++++<------distance x--------->Q
<----L/2---><---------(x - L/2)------------------->
then dq = Y dL

dF = k dq Q / (x-L/2)^2

dF = kYdLQ/ (x-L/2)^2

F = kYQ (integrate from 0 to L) dL / (x-L/2)^2

solving gives kqQ/x(2x-L) why this inconsistency of solutions i know one is wrong, but which one??
i have a feeling that the integration for the second one is not done properly...
 
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stunner5000pt said:
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on qo
Please describe where q0 is placed. For example, if the charged rod extends from x = 0 to x = L, where is q0?
 
Doc Al said:
Please describe where q0 is placed. For example, if the charged rod extends from x = 0 to x = L, where is q0?
it i sm y typing mistake qo = Q

and Q is a distance x from the tip of the rod
 
stunner5000pt said:
One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to ppick up on.
Your notation is a bit confusing, but your answer is correct. I believe you probably solved it correctly. I'd write it like this:
Let an element of charge on the rod be: [itex]dQ = \lambda dx[/itex], where I use "x" as the variable specifying the distance of the charge element from [itex]q_0[/itex]. (I'll call the distance of the test charge from the end of the rod [itex]x_0[/itex].)

So [itex]dF = k \lambda q_0/x^2 dx[/itex].
Integrate from x = [itex]x_0[/itex] to [itex]x_0 + L[/itex].
The answer is identical to yours.

I have no idea what your prof was telling you to do.
 
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stunner5000pt said:
You are given a positively charged rod of length L and of univform charge Q. TYhere is a positive test charge qo placed alongside this rod like the figure

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<-------distance x------>Q

find the net force on Q

First of all there is no y or z component so F refers to the x-axis only

One solution :

Let dq = YdL where Y is charge density
then dF = k dq Q/(L+x)^2

dF = kqYdL/(L+x)^2

integrating you get

F = kqY dL/L+x)^2 from 0 to L

then F = kqYL/x(L+x)

then resub for Y = Q /L

F = KqQ/x(x+L)

is there anything wrong with this solutioin please point out a mistake i don't seem to pick up on.
The method is correct but something is wrong.
We take an element 'dl' at a distance 'l' and not 'L'.then apply the same formulae and integrate from x to x+L.this gives u the correct result.

sriram
 

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