What Defines Organic Substances in Chemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of organic substances in chemistry, exploring criteria for classification, characteristics, and examples. It includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that organic substances are characterized by the presence of covalent bonds rather than ionic bonds, low melting points, and low solubility in water.
  • One participant mentions that organic compounds are not stable in hot concentrated sulfuric acid, suggesting this as a test for identifying organic matter.
  • Another participant defines organic substances as carbon compounds, explicitly excluding oxides, cyanides, and carbonates.
  • There is a discussion about carbon dioxide, with some participants noting its low melting point and questioning its classification as organic.
  • One participant suggests that compounds containing carbon with less than 4+ formal valence might be considered organic, providing examples of various carbon compounds and their characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of organic substances, particularly regarding the inclusion or exclusion of certain carbon compounds. There is no consensus on a singular definition, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions depend on specific criteria that may not be universally accepted, and there are unresolved questions about the classification of certain compounds like carbon dioxide.

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what is organic substances?
 
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Hello, I think you need very elementary knowledge of organic substances.

Well, if a substance contains covalent bonds rather than ionic, not having a high melting point, not very soluble in water, we may briefly consider it to be a potential organic substance. Organic compounds are not stable to hot concentrated sulfuric acid; and this test is frequently done to search any organic matter in a given substance. If there is some, then some coal-like carbon particles occur due to sulfuric acid's oxidation.

I think that is enough for a person wondering what organic substances are. But we are eager to help you, if you have further questions.

regards, chem_tr
 
Carbon compounds not including oxides, cyanides, or carbonates.
 
but isn't carbon dioxide has a low melting point?
 
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but isn't carbon dioxide has a low melting point?

As Shawn says, excluding oxides.
 
Yes, I agree with Shawn and Janitor and add that any compound containing carbon less than 4+ formal valence (indicator of CO2) might be organic. C4- is characteristic of methane, and C3- is its homolog alkanes; C2- is of ethylene and other terminal alkenes, and so on. When we come to C3+, it is seen with all of carboxylic acids. But the statement "any carbon compound excluding carbonates, cyanides and dioxide" is simpler. Note that nitrile and cyanide are similar in structure, with the difference being covalent and ionic, respectively.

I hope you've gained an idea about organic substances.

Regards, chem_tr
 

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