Understanding the formula for a geometric series

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivation of the formula for the sum of a geometric series. The original poster presents a geometric sequence and expresses confusion about the reasoning behind manipulating the series to derive the sum formula.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to grasp the logic behind multiplying the series by the common ratio and subtracting it from the original series to simplify the sum calculation. Some participants suggest writing out the equations to clarify the reasoning behind the manipulation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the steps involved in deriving the formula. Some guidance has been offered regarding the validity of manipulating equal quantities, but the original poster continues to seek a clearer understanding of the underlying logic.

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Participants are working with specific numerical examples to illustrate their points, and there is an emphasis on understanding the pattern in the manipulation of the series. The original poster expresses difficulty in following the reasoning, indicating a need for further clarification.

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I want to understand how the formula for the sum of a geometric sequence is created... This is what I understand so far:

A geometric sequence is the sum of a series of numbers, where a term will be multiplied by an amount (the common ratio) to get the next term, and so on... ex: 1+2+4+8...64+128+256
I understand that the first term is 1 and the common ratio is 2...

The formula to find the sum of the series is

SN=a(1-rN)/(1-r)

Where S is the sum for the 'n'th term...

Step by step, they show the formula worked out like this:

1) a + ar^1 + ar^2 + ar^3 + ar^4 ... ar^n-2 + ar^n-1

2) multiply the whole thing by 'r' ... ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ar^4 ... ar^n-1 + ar^n

3) subtract the two sequences

4) end up with a - ar^n = (1-r) SN

5) rearrange to get SN=a(1-rN)/(1-r)

Okay, so I don't understand anything from 2 down... if you have a sequence in front of you how can you just think "Why don't I just multiply the whole series by its common ratio and subtract it from the first series to find its sum?" ... what's the reasoning behind multiplying it and then cancelling out most of the terms by subtracting? How do you just do something like that out of the blue?

Thanks in advance,
Preet
 
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It might help if you actually wrote those things out as equations. Both sides of the equation represent numbers, namely the sum that you're interested in. You basically have S = stuff.

It should be no surprise that if two numbers are equal to each other then multiplying both of them by the same quantity will yield an equation that is just as valid as the first.

So you have Sum = stuff and Q X Sum = Q X stuff. Now if you subtract the equations from each other (left side from left side and right side from right side) then the resulting equation will be true because you're subtracting the same quantity from the same number!

Your equation follows - and NO it is not out of the clear blue. People basically see the pattern and arrive at the logical way to exploit that pattern. You just need to study it for a while.
 
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Okay, can someone walk me through this with simple numbers than?
I've used

15 = 1+2+4+8 as an example... a=1, r=2

30 = 2+4+8+16

Of course the second expression will be true but why is it just multiplied by the common ratio?

I worked out both of the above series' to -15 = -15 (when I subtracted)... this is where I am right now... (Tide) said that people can arrive at a logical way to exploit the pattern... I'm obviouisly having a lot of trouble with this... so I'd appreciate any help...
 
Did you notice when you subtracted the two equations that ALL the terms canceled except the first and last?
 
Pretend that you're unable to add four numbers together, so that you're unable to directly determine that 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 = 15. Since we cannot determine the value, let's give it a name: S. So, we have

S = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8

What happens when you apply the steps to this?
 

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