What Is the Physical Interpretation of a Non-Metric Compatible Connection in GR?

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of a non-metric compatible connection in General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of imposing conditions such as torsion-free connections and metric compatibility, as well as the potential physical phenomena associated with their absence. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects and the introduction of spin connections in the context of fermions in GR.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a connection in GR is typically required to be torsion-free, leading to symmetric Christoffel symbols, and questions the physical implications of allowing torsion.
  • Another participant suggests that a non-metric compatible connection could result in the failure to preserve angles during parallel transport, although they are uncertain about the physical consequences of this.
  • A later reply agrees that a connection without metric compatibility would not preserve inner products, emphasizing that the preferred connection is one that is compatible with the metric, assuming no torsion is present.
  • Participants discuss the spin connection, with one expressing confusion about its nature, suggesting it may relate to fiber bundles rather than being a connection on a manifold.
  • Another participant seeks to understand the physical phenomena underlying the properties of metric compatibility and the spin connection, referencing specific notes by Sean Carroll.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of non-metric compatible connections, with some agreeing on the technical aspects while others remain uncertain about the physical interpretations and consequences. No consensus is reached on the physical phenomena associated with these connections.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of advanced concepts such as spin connections and fiber bundles, indicating that further exploration may be necessary to fully grasp the implications of non-metric compatible connections.

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To have a connection in GR one imposes several conditions. Among others, one condition is that the connection shall be torsion free, which leads to symmetric Christoffel symbols. My understanding is that this condition is imposed to maintain the theory as simple as possible. The absence of this condition would imply some physical phenomenon (spacetime with torsion, additionally to curvature), which is not observed (?).

Further, one imposes metric compatibility, which leads to a vanishing covariant derivative of the metric. I assume that the reasons which make this property desirable are the same as above, but I cannot imagine any physical phenomenon related to the absence of this condition. So, my question is: what is the physical interpretation of a connection which is not compatible with the metric? I read in Sean Carrolls GR notes (p. 91), that to introduce fermions in GR one has to make use of a connection which is not metric compatible (called spin connection), why?
 
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I don't know these things very well, but I think that if the connection isn't metric compatible, you can parallell transport two vectors and not preserve the "angle" (definied by the metric) between them. I can't think of any physical consequences of that right now.

I also think that a spin connection is something more complicated. I don't think it's a connection on a manifold. Isn't it a connection on some kind of fiber bundle? The words "spin bundle" comes to mind. I don't even know what that is. :smile:
 
Fredrik said:
I don't know these things very well, but I think that if the connection isn't metric compatible, you can parallell transport two vectors and not preserve the "angle" (definied by the metric) between them.

That's right. You can have a connection without a metric, but if you do have a metric, then the one compatible with it is preferred for this reason (presuming no torsion). Preserving inner products is sort of the whole "point" of parallel transport. Certainly derivative operators would act very counter-intuitively if this were not true. Maybe that's not as deep an answer as you were looking for?
 
Well, thanks for your answers. I think I did understood more or less which are the technical reasons which lead to the conditions mentioned above. For a metric compatible connection the invariance of inner products is indeed a reason (equivalent to stating that the covariant derivative of the metric shall vanish everywhere) which makes the whole mathematical formalism easier.

But I would like to understand whether there are physical phenomena underlying these properties (or the absence of these properties). The spin connection I mentioned above is introduced by Carroll (http://arxiv.org/gr-qc/9712019 ) when he explains non-coordinate bases (p. 91). In the relation between the connection coefficients of the metric compatible connection and the spin connection a term appears with the partial derivative of the non-coordinate basis vectors. But this is behind my knowledge: I just wanted to get a feeling before trying to understand this part of the notes.
 
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