Question- difference between plasma and ionization?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between plasma and ionized gas, particularly in the context of plasma ignition versus conventional spark ignition in engine combustion. Participants explore the criteria that define plasma and the relevant physical effects involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the distinction between plasma and ionized gas depends on the degree of ionization, with a sufficient level of ionization necessary for electrodynamic or magnetohydrodynamic effects to dominate behavior.
  • One participant mentions that a general criterion for classifying a material as plasma is the existence of Debye shielding and a large number of electrons/ions in a "debye sphere."
  • A participant seeks clarification on how electrodynamic or magnetohydrodynamic effects define plasma in the context of an experiment involving plasma ignition for engine combustion.
  • Another participant notes that to determine the Debye length, one needs to consider temperature and electron density, and provides a method for calculating the number of electrons in a debye sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and detail regarding the definitions and criteria for plasma, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for specific temperature and electron density values to accurately determine Debye length and the conditions under which a gas qualifies as a plasma.

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Could someone please explain the difference between a gas that has entered its plasma state and an ionized gas?
 
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It depends on the degree of ionization. Clearly, a few ions or molecules in a gas does not make it a plasma. When the degree of ionization becomes sufficient to make electrodynamic or magnetohydrodynamic effects dominate the behavior of the material then it can be classified as a plasma. One general criterion for a material to be classified as a plasma is the existence of Debye shielding and the presence of a large number of electrons/ions in a "debye sphere."
 
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I need more detail please.

The context of my question is related to an experiment that initiates engine combustion with plasma as opposed to a conventional spark. I am trying to understand what defines the difference between plasma ignition and the conventional spark ignition that is used in cars today. Here is a link to the experiment:

http://pulsedpower.usc.edu/newpage/combustion/pulsedignition.shtml

What are the electrodynamic or magnetohydrodynamic effects that would define a plasma in this context? Am I correct that the debye length in this experiment would exist between the entire length of the distance between the + and - electrodes inside the combustion chamber? Would the area between these electrodes constitute the debye sphere?
 
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That article wasn't too specific on the nature of the plasma. To determine the Debye length you need the temperature and electron density. The density gives you the plasma frequency and divide that into the thermal speed to obtain the debye length.

Cube the debye length and multiply it by the number density to find the number of electrons in a debye sphere. If it's much greater than 1 then it "qualifies" as a plasma!
 

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