How Can I Check RPMs With Multimeter

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The discussion revolves around measuring the RPM of gasoline engines using a Fluke model 112 multimeter, specifically exploring the use of the meter's Hertz measuring capability. Participants share methods, experiences, and challenges related to this application.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest measuring the ignition noise from spark plug wires by holding the multimeter's probe to the wire while grounding the other probe.
  • One participant proposes creating a transformer to enhance the signal from the spark plug wire, recommending a 1:20 transformer design.
  • A participant reports measuring an AC voltage of over 1 volt and a Hertz reading of 210 Hz from a lawnmower engine, expressing confusion over the high RPM reading derived from this frequency.
  • Another participant notes that 210 Hz corresponds to an extremely high RPM, suggesting that noise or ringing may be affecting the reading and recommending the use of a capacitor to filter the signal.
  • One participant mentions that measuring on the low voltage side of the sparking coil should yield a small inductive pulse for each revolution, differing between lawnmowers and vehicles.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of flywheel coil ignition, indicating that it fires every revolution and expressing similar concerns about noise affecting readings.
  • One suggestion involves creating an independent speed pickup by wrapping wire around a nail and positioning it near the flywheel.

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Participants express various methods and experiences, but there is no consensus on the most effective approach to accurately measure RPMs with the multimeter. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the influence of noise and the best techniques to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with noise and signal interference affecting the accuracy of RPM readings, but specific assumptions and limitations of the methods discussed are not fully resolved.

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I have a Fluke model 112 multimeter. Is there any way I can measure gasoline engine speed by using the Hertz measuring capability of the meter. If I cannot, why not?
 
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LawrenceC said:
I have a Fluke model 112 multimeter. Is there any way I can measure gasoline engine speed by using the Hertz measuring capability of the meter. If I cannot, why not?

Welcome to the PF.

You might be able to hold the + probe up to one of the sparkplug wires (ground the - probe) and pick up enough ignition noise to give you a reading. Start by putting the meter on AC volts, and see how big the signal is. If it is a reasonable signal, try the Hz setting.

If that doesn't work, you could make a transformer to put the sparkplug wire through. Use a ferrite core that is big enough for the sparkplug wire and cap to fit through, and wind about 20 turns of insulated wire around the core. This will form a 1:20 transformer that you can connect your DVM leads to. You should get enough of a pickup voltage with the 1:20 transformer to be able to make your measurement.
 
Thanks, I'll give both suggestions a try.
 
I tried the easier one first where I merely put the lead on the insulated portion of the spark plug wire. I did this on a single cylinder 4 cycle lawnmower. The AC voltage was a little over 1 volt. When I switched to hertz, the idle reading was 210 hz. Evidently something is confusing the DVM. The hertz capability works fine because if I insert it in an AC outlet, it says 60.0.
 
LawrenceC said:
I tried the easier one first where I merely put the lead on the insulated portion of the spark plug wire. I did this on a single cylinder 4 cycle lawnmower. The AC voltage was a little over 1 volt. When I switched to hertz, the idle reading was 210 hz. Evidently something is confusing the DVM. The hertz capability works fine because if I insert it in an AC outlet, it says 60.0.

210Hz would be 420 revolutions per second, so 25,200 RPM. Yeah, sounds high. There must be some ringing or noise that is adding extra zero crossings to the reading. You can try filtering the signal some by putting a capacitor across the DVM terminals. Go back to the AC V setting on the DVM, and try putting a 1uF cap across the terminals. Does that knock the signal down too much?
 
All you need to do is put the dmm on the low voltage side of the sparking coil. If its on a lawn mower it will be a small inductive pulse every revolution. If its on a vehicle, there will be a pulse to ground every time the ECU sends for a spark.
 
A flywheel coil ignition will fire every revolution (wasted spark). 210hz = 12,600 rpms I'm getting a crazy reading too.And I also get a steady 60hz from an outlet. I'm thinking it must be noise. I could just order an inductive pick up. Noway that would take the fun of it.
 
presumably there's a magnet that goes past the ignition coil once per revolution.

perhaps you could wrap some wire around a nail and mount it near flywheel, making your own independent speed pickup for the dmm?
 

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