Star Cluster Gravity: Impact on Forces

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational forces and orbital dynamics of stars within a star cluster. Participants explore the implications of close proximity among stars, the role of mass distribution, and the potential for complex interactions within the cluster. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, modeling, and the effects of external influences on cluster evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the gravity of the largest star in a cluster would dominate, with surrounding stars slightly affecting an object's orbit.
  • It is proposed that stars in a cluster orbit around the center of mass, and there may need to be a significantly more massive body to maintain the cluster's integrity.
  • One participant mentions that in an open cluster, mutual attraction among stars leads to irregular orbits for objects within the cluster.
  • A model is referenced to illustrate gravitational fields and the potential for objects to be influenced by multiple stars' gravity, causing erratic motion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while Newtonian gravity applies to star clusters, deriving a complete analytical solution for their dynamics is complex, particularly due to the challenges posed by the three-body problem.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for a star cluster to "evaporate" unless the stars' initial motions are sufficient to counteract their mutual gravitational attraction.
  • Interactions with external galaxies are noted as significant factors influencing the evolution of star clusters, with examples of tidal interactions leading to structural changes in clusters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the dynamics of star clusters, with no clear consensus on the necessity of a massive central body or the specific outcomes of gravitational interactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms and implications of these forces.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of gravitational interactions in star clusters, the dependence on initial conditions, and the challenges in modeling such systems accurately. The discussion acknowledges that external influences, such as nearby galaxies, complicate the dynamics further.

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What happens to the forces of gravity and orbital forces of stars when they are so close together in a star cluster?
 
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The gravity of the largest star would attract objects, with the gravity of the surrounding stars slightly interfering with an object's orbit, I suppose.
 
They orbit the center of mass of the cluster. I'm not sure, but I think a star cluster needs one body to be much more massive than the other bodies or the whole thing files apart. Perhaps every star cluster has a parent black hole.
 
Well, if the type of clusters is an open cluster, then all the stars have mutual attraction to each other. Then the orbit of an object would be quite irregular.

Look at this model of a star cluster:


http://img126.exs.cx/img126/6231/starcluster.gif


The stars are red, and their gravitational fields are the blue rings. Now imagine an object in the orbit of one of those stars, the object would hit another star's gravity field and would jerk around.

EDIT: The stars would probably move, as they would be attracted to each other. Just as Jupiter's gravity moves the sun around.
 
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A belated welcome to Physics Forums DB!

Whether there are just two massive objects or trillions, gravity is still the same. For star clusters, Newtonian gravity provides pretty good answers (some exceptions, of course) ... inverse square, m1 x m2, etc ... between all pairs. Not possible to derive a complete analytical solution to the equations of motion (hey, even the general 3-body problem isn't soluble!), but with good computer codes, and lots of memory, your own PC will do a pretty nice job of simulating what happens.

In the absence of external masses (e.g. a nearby galaxy ... OK, pretty unrealistic) ... the answer is quite simple: the 'cluster' will 'evaporate' unless the initial motions of the stars are insufficient for them to escape the combined gravity of the whole cluster. The cluster's evolution then becomes largely determined by how much 'cooling' it can undergo ... e.g. close encounters of a tight binary by a lone star may result in one star being flung out of the cluster (and all the other stars responding accordingly); or a collision which results in a merger and subsequent supernova (some gas may be expelled from the cluster, resulting in a loss of mass).

However, the evolution of most clusters are probably determined more by interactions with galaxies than internal dynamics ... (there's a lovely SDSS result showing a small globular on the outskirts of our Milky Way being shredded by 'tidal interaction' with the mother ship; too, a recent SDSS finding of a strange, halo object that might be a very low density cluster left over from MW formation times).
 

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