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The discussion centers around the derivation and understanding of the formula for the sum of the squares of the first n natural numbers: 1^2 + 2^2 + 3^2 + ... + n^2 = n(n+1)(2n+1)/6. Participants express interest in how to arrive at this formula from scratch, as well as methods for proving it.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the derivation of the formula for the sum of squares and mentions its usefulness.
  • Another participant suggests that proving the formula via mathematical induction is straightforward, but they find it challenging to conceive the formula itself.
  • A participant refers to a more general conjecture that the sum of the first n r'th powers is a polynomial of degree r+1, proposing an inductive proof approach.
  • One participant describes a method involving the expansion of cubes to derive the formula for the sum of squares, linking it to known sums.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of expressing the sum of cubes in terms of the sum of natural numbers, indicating a lack of clarity on the connection.
  • There are references to external resources and previous discussions that may provide additional context or methods related to the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to derive the formula from scratch, and multiple approaches and viewpoints are presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for deriving the formula and the connections between different sums.

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Some participants mention the use of mathematical induction and polynomial degree arguments, but there are unresolved assumptions and dependencies on definitions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Hi,

I wonder how could I get to this formula:

[tex] 1^2 + 2^2 + 3^2 + ... + n^2 = \frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)}{6}[/tex]

I'd like to know it, because I suspect I will keep this formula in head and because it is quite useful I'd like to be able to write it from scratch.

Thank you.
 
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With out working out a fair few calculations analysing the results I don't see any way to work out this formula from scratch (there probably is an easy way without working out examples, maybe I've even seen it, but I don't remeber any :frown:).

But proving it is easier. You need to use induction on n. (Do you know how to use mathematical induction as a form of proof?)
 
Yes, proving it with induction would be quite easy, but I can't imagine how could I think up such a formula...
 
twoflower said:
Yes, proving it with induction would be quite easy, but I can't imagine how could I think up such a formula...
I believe I saw an ugly formula once for an arbitrary (integral?) power "p", i.e:
[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n}i^{p}=ugly(n,p)[/tex]
Wrap your head about that one..:wink:
 
Well, you say you saw somewhere how the formula came into the world? I don't even know where could I try to search it...
 
Let's use it as a model of how research happens:

we know the sum of the first n numbers, it's also not hard to show the the sum of the first n cubes is acutally (the sum of the first n numbers) squared, ie a degree 4 polynomial.

conjecture:

the sum of the first n r'th powers is a a polynomial in n of degree r+1.

proof:

consider the sum of the first r+2 r'th powers show they sadisfy a general poly of degree r+1 and then prove it inductively for all n.

there is actually a more general way of demonstrating this, though i don't recall it off the top of my head
 
To get the formula 1^2 + 2^2 + ... + n^2 = n(n+1)(2n+1) / 6 begin with the formula

(v+1) ^3 - v^3 = 3v^2 + 3v +1. Write down the values for v = 0, 1 , 2, ..., n and add. We obtain

(n+1)^3 = 3S2 + 3S1 + n + 1, where S1 = 1/2n(n+1).

Substituting the formula for S1, we get

3S2 = (n+1)[(n+1)^2 - 1 - 3/2n] = (n+1)(n^2 + 1/2n)

which means that S2 = 1/6n(n+1)(2n+1)


In general, if you want to get the sum of the first n cubes, fourths, fifths, etc.. by scratch, represent your sum as

(v+1) ^ n+1 - (v+1)^n for the sum of the first n whatever. Then you will have to use previous known sums (I used S1 = 1/2n(n+1)) and its easy from there. Also try proving that the sum of the first n cubes equals (1+2+...+n) ^2. Ask if you need any help
Try this technique for the sum of the first n cubes.
 
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matt grime said:
...it's also not hard to show the the sum of the first n cubes is acutally (the sum of the first n numbers) squared, ie a degree 4 polynomial.

I don't see the point...

You're saying that you can express this

[tex] 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + ... + n^3[/tex]

somehow with

[tex] 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + n[/tex]

?
 
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Try evaluating
[tex]\sum_n (n+1)^3-n^3[/tex]
in two ways.
 
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matt grimes point was that if you think it is a polynomial of degree 3, then just calculating the first 4 values will tell you what polynomial it is. then induction will verify your guess.

courtigrads argument (for all powers) is a footnote on page 27 of the famous book Differential and integral calculus by richard courant.
 

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