How can S3 be equal to the square of the sum of 1 to n?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical identity that states the sum of the cubes of the first n natural numbers is equal to the square of the sum of those numbers. Participants explore methods to prove this identity, share their approaches, and ask for clarification on specific steps in the proof.

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  • One participant presents a detailed approach to proving the identity, defining S1, S2, and S3, and manipulating the equations to express S3 in terms of n.
  • Another participant suggests that S3 can be expressed as the square of the sum of the first n natural numbers, providing a formula for S3.
  • Some participants recommend using proof by induction as a method to establish the identity, citing its effectiveness in similar problems.
  • A participant inquires about using the formula for the sum of squares to derive a formula for the sum of squares of odd numbers, seeking guidance on the methodology.
  • Another participant discusses the need to be careful with limits when calculating sums involving squares of odd numbers and provides a breakdown of how to approach the problem.
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Hello all

I encountered the following problem in my textbook

Prove (1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3 ) = ( 1 + 2 +... + n) ^2.

Here is my solution, however I become stuck on the final part of the problem.

Let S1 = 1/2(n+1)

Let S2 = 1/6n(n+1)(2n+1)

S3 = (1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3)

(1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3 ) = (v+1)^4 - v^4 = (v^4 + 4v^3 + 6v^2 + 4v + 1) - v^4

= 4v^3 + 6v^2 + 4v + 1.

Substituting v = 0 , 1 , 2, ... , n into the equation and adding we get

4(0)^3 + 6(0)^2 + 4(0) + 1​
4(1)^3 + 6(1)^2 + 4(1) + 1​
4(2)^3 + 6(2)^2 + 4(2) +1​
4(n)^3 + 6(n)^2 + 4(n) + 1​


= 4S3 + 6S2 + 4S1 + n + 1

(n+1) ^4 = 4S3 + 6S2 + 4S1 + n + 1

Since we are solving for S3, we collect terms and get

4S3 = (n+1) ^4 - 6S2 - 4S1 - n - 1

= (n+1) ([n+1]^3 - 1- n(2n+1) - 2n)

= (n+1) (n^3 + 3n^2 +3n + 1) - (1 + n(2n+1) +2n)

= (n+1) (n^3 + 3n^2 +3n +1 ) - (1 + 2n^2 +n +2n)

= (n+1) (n^3 + n^2 )

S3 = ¼ (n+1)(n^3 + n^2)

Here is where I become stuck.

How does S3 = ( 1 + 2 +... + n) ^2?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Also do you know where I can get LaTex?
 
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[tex]S3=\frac{n^{2}(n+1)^{2}}{2^{2}}=(\frac{n(n+1)}{2})^{2}=(\sum_{i=1}^{n}i)^{2}[/tex]

Hope that helps..:wink:
 
Have you tried proof through induction? Thats the first thing that always comes to my mind when I see these types of problems.
 
Thanks a lot arildno. That really helped me!
 
gravenewworld said:
Have you tried proof through induction? Thats the first thing that always comes to my mind when I see these types of problems.

This exact same problem occurred in one of my final exams. The question required a poof by induction.

-Ray.
 
courtrigrad said:
Also do you know where I can get LaTex?

Are you asking how to use LaTeX in these forums? One fast way to obtain the reference PDF is by clicking directly on arildno's formatted text. This will open a window that will contain a link.

-Ray.
 
how would i use the formula for 1^2 + 2^2 +... +n^2 = 1/6n(n+1)(2n+1) to find a formula for

1^2 + 3^2 +... (2n+1)^2. Would i use the same method i used in my other problem?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
1^2 + 3^2 +... (2n+1)^2 (sum of squares of odd numbers) is 1^2 + 2^2 +... +n^2- 2^2+ 4^2+ 6^2+ ... (sum of all squares minus sum of square of even numbers) and, of course, 2^2+ 4^2+ 6^2+... is 4(1^2+ 2^2+ 3^2+...).

Be careful about the limits! In order to find 1+ 3^2+ 5^2+ 7^2 (i.e. n= 3 since 7= 2(3)+1 you would find 1^2+ 2^2+ 3^2+ 4^2+ 6^2+ 7^2+ 8^2 - (2^2+ 4^2+ 6^2+ 8^2)
= 1^2+ 2^2+ 3^2+ 6^2+ 7^2+ 8^2- 4(1^2+ 2^2+ 3^2+ 4^2). You would then use the formula for sums of square with n= 8 and n= 4. In general, if we let S(n) mean "the sum of squares up to n^2" (the original formula), the sum of odds up to 2n+1 would be S(2n+2)- 4S(n+1).
 
Thanks a lot. That really helped!
 
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HallsofIvy, is that just a typo or did you make a mistake in counting 5^2 and 4^2?
 
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Yeah, I dropped 5^2 in one sum and both 5^2 and 4^2 in another. Thanks for catching that.
 

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