Have You Discovered This Recursive Formula for Sums of Powers?

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The discussion revolves around a recursive formula for the sums of powers of integers from 1 to x, specifically exploring the formula x^r = ∑_{n=1}^{x} n^r - (n-1)^r. Participants examine its properties, proofs, and implications for deriving known formulas for sums of powers.

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  • One participant introduces a recursive formula for sums of powers and questions its name and proof.
  • Another participant identifies the formula as a telescopic sum and explains its cancellation properties.
  • A participant shares their geometrical derivation of the formula, noting its complexity and connection to known results.
  • Further calculations are presented to derive specific formulas for the sums of n, n^2, and n^3, demonstrating the recursive nature of the approach.
  • Another participant acknowledges the technique as commonly used for finding sums of powers, emphasizing its non-triviality.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the recursive formula and its connection to known results, but there is no consensus on its established name or the simplicity of its proof.

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The discussion includes various derivations and assumptions that may not be fully articulated, such as the geometric approach mentioned and the specific conditions under which the recursive formula applies.

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I was trying to come up with a formula for the sums of powers of n from 1 to x (ie, x(x+1)/2 for the first power, x(x+1)(2x+1)/6 for the second, etc), and in the process, I found this pretty cool formula:

[tex]x^r = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n^r - (n-1)^r[/tex]

have any of you seen this before? does it have a name? does it have an easy proof?

it gives an easy way to recursively define the formula for the sum I was looking for, which gave me this other interesting result that I'm sure is nothing new, but I just thought it was also cool:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{x} n^3 = [ \sum_{n=1}^{x} n]^2[/tex]
 
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Yor first formula above : It's called a telescopic sum. Write out all the terms on the RHS and you'll find that they all cancel off, except the first and last terms, which gives you the LHS.
 
wow, that's simple, and completely different from the way i derived it, which was geometrical. still, its not completely trivial, because it does give the formulas i was after. for example:

[tex]x = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n - (n-1) = \sum_{n=1}^{x} 1 = x[/tex]

[tex]x^2 = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n^2 - (n-1)^2 = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n^2-n^2 + 2n - 1 = 2 (\sum_{n=1}^{x} n) - x[/tex]

which leaves:
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{x} n = \frac{x(x+1)}{2}[/tex]

[tex]x^3 = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n^3 - (n-1)^3 = \sum_{n=1}^{x} n^3-n^3 + 3n^2-3n + 1 = 3 (\sum_{n=1}^{x} n^2) - 3\frac{x(x+1)}{2} +x[/tex]

which leaves:
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{x} n^2 = \frac{x(x+1)(2x+1)}{6}[/tex]

and so on.
 
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Yes, that is a technique often used to find sums of powers. It's not trivial at all, when used for that.
 

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