Proving Group Elements & Inverse Have Same Order

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The discussion revolves around proving that in any group, an element and its inverse have the same order. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties related to group elements and their inverses.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • One participant attempts to connect the existence of unique inverses in a group to the number of elements and inverses, questioning if this reasoning is valid. Others seek clarification on the definition of the order of an element in a group, with some confusion noted between the order of an element and the order of the group itself.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing definitions and seeking to clarify concepts. There is a mix of attempts to reason through the problem and check definitions, but no consensus has been reached on the proof itself.

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Participants are navigating definitions and properties of group theory, particularly focusing on the order of elements and their inverses. There is a noted distinction between the order of an element and the order of the group, which is under discussion.

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so I need to show that in any group, it's elements and inverse has the same order.

so can I say that since it is a group, we know that there exists a unique inverse for each element. So each element would have 1 inverse. And then, that means we have the same number of elements as number of inverses?

does that work? or am I missing something?
 
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Can you state the definition of the order of an element in a group?
 
shmoe said:
Can you state the definition of the order of an element in a group?


so the order is the number of elements in a group...

is this suppose to be a hint? :)
 
semidevil...

The order of an element g in a group G is n such that g^n = identity where n is the smallest positive integer >= 1. To prove an element and its inverse have the same order you can say:

g^n = identity
(g^-1) ^ n = (g^n)^-1 = (identity)^-1 = identity
 
semidevil said:
so the order is the number of elements in a group...

That's the order of the group, not an element. I was hoping to get you to check the definition carefully;).
 
Heh, sorry shmoe...didn't mean to steal your thunder.
 
No thunder to be stolen, we're all here to help (or be helped) :smile:
 

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