Make Robots Not War: The village voice

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of using robots for lunar exploration and resource utilization. Participants explore the potential of humanoid versus functionally optimized robotic designs, the challenges of human presence in space, and the economic viability of lunar colonization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that humanoid robots could be sent to the moon and controlled via laser data transmissions from Earth, arguing that machines could handle hazardous conditions better than humans.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of humanoid designs, proposing that robots should be shaped according to their functional requirements, such as using wheels or insectoid designs for lunar environments.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the high costs associated with developing lunar resources and raises concerns about environmental impacts on the moon.
  • One participant references science fiction literature to support the idea that existing technology could be adapted for lunar exploration, while also noting that starting from scratch may not necessitate humanoid designs.
  • A later reply highlights the significant risks posed by solar flares and cosmic rays to human life on the moon, while downplaying the threat of asteroids.
  • Another participant argues that using robots for lunar resource extraction may not be economically viable, suggesting that the primary motivation for space exploration should be the survival of humanity rather than economic gain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the design and purpose of robots for lunar exploration, with no consensus on the best approach or the economic feasibility of utilizing lunar resources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal strategies for lunar colonization and the role of human versus robotic presence.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various challenges, including technological limitations of past decades, environmental concerns, and the economic implications of lunar resource development. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the future of space exploration and the role of robotics.

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What I want to know is wouldn't it be far more feasible to make humanoid looking robots and then fly them to the moon and use laser data transmissions to control them here on Earth in virtual reality suits and build an environment from the moon, I mean everything one needs is there oxygen, nitrogen, and all kinds of metals can come from the rocks, the problems are mostly in humans themselves in space making it too costly, if it's just machines being controlled then they can withstand far more hazardous conditions and are far more durable and require less costs. I know there are lots of ideas on it from the 70's and 80's on how to build a space station and use the moon as material but that maybe data transmission and computer technology and robot technology of those days made it almost impossible but could be much more easily done today, has anyone heard anything about this or had similar ideas?
 
Why humanoid looking? If they're robots, make them what ever shape suits their function best. If wheels work better than legs, use wheels. Actually I think insectoid six or eight legged designs would work best in the Lunar environment.

The cost of developing all that mineral wealth on the Moon is going to be high too. And don't forget all the Greens weeping about how you're destroying the beautiful Moon.
 
Good point.
Read Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson...
Then read Green Mars...


The only good argument for humanoid robots is the monetory savings gained by using existing tech/machinery for exploration/development.

If we start from scratch (As we are with ther Mars explorers, then ther is no reason to go down this road)
Here on Earth it is a different matter altogether.
 
Originally posted by jammieg
What I want to know is wouldn't it be far more feasible to make humanoid looking robots and then fly them to the moon and use laser data transmissions to control them here on Earth in virtual reality suits and build an environment from the moon, I mean everything one needs is there oxygen, nitrogen, and all kinds of metals can come from the rocks, the problems are mostly in humans themselves in space making it too costly, if it's just machines being controlled then they can withstand far more hazardous conditions and are far more durable and require less costs. I know there are lots of ideas on it from the 70's and 80's on how to build a space station and use the moon as material but that maybe data transmission and computer technology and robot technology of those days made it almost impossible but could be much more easily done today, has anyone heard anything about this or had similar ideas?
How big of a problem would solar flares and asteroids be for living on the moon?
 
Solar flares and cosmic rays are big problems for lightly protected humans in the near solar system, including the moon. Asteroids are not really that big a problem; in spite of all the media hoo-hah, the bigger ones are really rare. Most plans for colonizing the moon feature underground living and limited travel by humans on the surface.

Using robots would be the way to go if what we wanted to do was use the moon's resources for our economy on earth. But studies show that's probably never going to pay anybody to do. The real reason to go into space is to get segments of the human species away from the earth, and separated from each other so that if some catastrophe does come, there's a chance of humanity survivng it. That's not an economic issue, if we have to spend the money, we will. The problem is convincing the powers that be that it is prudent and necessary to do this.
 

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