DIY Hydrochloric Acid: Electrifying Sodium Chloride Solution for HCl Production

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and safety of producing hydrochloric acid (HCl) through the electrolysis of sodium chloride (NaCl) solution. Participants explore various methods, safety concerns, and alternative approaches to generating HCl, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes electrolysis of NaCl solution to produce hydrogen (H2) and chlorine (Cl2), suggesting that igniting the gases could yield HCl.
  • Another participant warns against this method, citing the dangers of hydrogen and chlorine gases, including the risk of explosion and toxicity.
  • A suggestion is made that the electrolysis process is complex and requires specific equipment, such as an adjustable DC power supply.
  • Concerns are raised about the collection of gases, particularly the solubility of chlorine in water and the formation of hypochlorite and chlorate instead of Cl2 gas.
  • Alternative methods for producing HCl are mentioned, such as reacting sodium chloride with sulfuric acid (H2SO4) to generate HCl gas, which can then be dissolved in water.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the practicality and safety of the proposed electrolysis method, suggesting that commercially available HCl is a safer and more efficient option.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the safety and practicality of the proposed electrolysis method for producing HCl. While some acknowledge that the method could technically work, others emphasize the associated risks and recommend alternative approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the electrolysis process, including the need for specific equipment and safety precautions. There are also unresolved discussions about the efficiency of gas collection and the chemical reactions involved.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring chemical production methods, safety in experimental chemistry, and those considering DIY approaches to chemical synthesis.

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I was thinking about make some HCl. My idea was to electrolys a NaCl solution and get a solution of H2 and Cl2. Then ignite the solution, which reacts and becomes HCl. Then I'll solute the gas in water.

Will it work?
 
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I certainly wouldn't recommend it, for the following reasons :

1. The electrolysis itself is not trivial. You will need an adjustable 0-5V DC supply to get the right bias voltage.

2. The collection of the gases will be difficult. Hydrogen is a dangerous gas...it blows the hell up if activated in the presence of air. If you have any hydrogen floating around when you throw a switch (for instance, the one on your power supply), you are essentially setting off a bomb.

3. Chlorine is heavier than air (you will have to collect it over water, but it is partially soluble in water - coincidentally, making a very weak solution of HCl)), and poisonous. You do not want to risk ihnhaling it. If some leaks out of your collection system, it doesn't float away very fast.

4. Chlorine doesn't just "react" with hydrogen, it explodes. Like many other photochemical chain reactions, it is very tricky to control the rate of reaction.

My advice : please do not attempt this.
 
Hmm. Ok. I'll figer out something else...
 
4. Chlorine doesn't just "react" with hydrogen, it explodes. Like many other photochemical chain reactions, it is very tricky to control the rate of reaction
If you carry out it in a more dimmer place, it will be less explosive but I've never tried./
 
danne89 said:
I was thinking about make some HCl. My idea was to electrolys a NaCl solution and get a solution of H2 and Cl2. Then ignite the solution, which reacts and becomes HCl. Then I'll solute the gas in water.

Will it work?
You'll mostly get a sol'n with hypochlorite and chlorate, and not much Cl2 gas being evolved. Chlorine is soluble in water, where it forms HOCl. That in turn decomposes to form ClO3-. The standard way of making hydrochloric acid in the lab is to heat a chloride with H2SO4 and dissolve the HCl gas in H2O.
 
primarygun said:
If you carry out it in a more dimmer place, it will be less explosive but I've never tried./

I think if you were to do it in a dimmer place, youd just not be able to see when you blow your fingers off
 
Although your method would, technically work, it would neither be safe nor a practical method of producing HCl.

There are alternative methods, however.
Some chemical reactions will give off HCl gas as a product. If you collect this gas a bubble it through water to dissolve it, you will obtain an HCl solution (and if you do it right, you won’t have to breathe any harmful vapors).
One such reaction is,
NaCl + H2SO4 --> Na2SO4 + HCl
Involving Sulfuric acid to produce Hydrogen Chloride from NaCl.

But making it yourself (as satisfying as it may be) is overly troublesome when you can go down to the hardware store and pick up a gallon jug of ~35% HCl (aq) for under $10. Much safer and a higher quality product.
 

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