Do molecules and atoms really exist?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of molecules and atoms, exploring historical perspectives and contemporary evidence. Participants question how to demonstrate this existence, particularly to younger audiences, without relying heavily on mathematics or complex experiments.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss historical figures like Boltzmann and Einstein, questioning the validity of their theories and the evidence supporting atomic theory. There are inquiries about simple proofs of molecular existence, such as through chemical reactions or Brownian motion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants express acceptance of molecular existence based on modern evidence, while others seek further clarification and simpler proofs. There is no explicit consensus, but the dialogue is productive in exploring different angles of the topic.

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Participants note the challenge of proving atomic and molecular existence, especially in educational contexts. There is mention of historical skepticism and the evolution of scientific understanding over the past century.

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How we can proove, that molecules and atoms really exist?
As I know in the beginning of 20th century Boltzmann commited suicide, because couldn't proove existence of molecules. How we can proove this statement for a kid, for example. Can we solve this problem without Mathematics and diffisult experiments?
 
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Ludwig Boltzmann (sic) is said to have commited suicide because nobody accepted his theory of (non)equilibrium statistical mechanics,especially the H (or "ita") theorem,the equation and the consequences.As Josiah Willard Gibbs proved it,everything Boltzmann did was perfectly correct (except the suicide part :-p),even though Henri Poincaré's theorem would invalidate it,even at classical level...

Boltzmann is the first god of theoretical physics.

Daniel.
 
Does anybody believe that molecules exist? Are You sure? Why?
 
Actually, Albert Einstein was given the Nobel prize for his paper on Brownian Motion (NOT specifically for his papers on relativity that were published the same year) largely becase it gave the first convincing proof that molecules exist.

I might point out that molecules have now been actually photographed, using electron microscopes- that's pretty convincing proof! (Unless, of course, you don't accept that electron microscopes exist!)
 
Of course I accept existence of molecules, electron microscopes etc.
Just my Physics lecturer frequently asks us how we can proof this existence. He just want to make us think. I was really surprised that just 100 years ago it wasn't so obviously. We also meant Brownian Motion, and it was single thing he accepted as a proof. May be there is any other simple proof?! May be chemical reactions? Is it really not very simple question?
 
When I encountered internet message boards for the first time, I encountered crackpots for the first time. The first crackpot I met did not believe in the existence of anything below the structure of the atom. Since then, I became interested in accumulating evidentiary statements of the existence of nuclei, electrons, etc..., besides the tracks left in particle accelerators.

Anyway, here's one of the things I turned up:

http://www.Newton.dep.anl.gov/Newton/askasci/1993/chem/CHEM043.HTM
 

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