Quantum mechanics of a particle

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanics of a particle, focusing on concepts such as confinement, wavefunction nodes, and energy quantization. Participants explore theoretical aspects and implications of these concepts within quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants question why confining a particle increases its energy, with references to specific scenarios like quark confinement and the implications of the uncertainty principle.
  • There are varying interpretations of what constitutes "nodes" in a wavefunction, with some participants relating them to points where the wavefunction equals zero and others discussing their relevance in different quantum systems.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the number of nodes in a wavefunction and energy levels, noting that higher energy states correspond to more nodes, drawing parallels to classical wave behavior.
  • Some contributions suggest that energy quantization arises from boundary conditions imposed by the potential in which the particle is confined, as described by the Schrödinger equation.
  • One participant emphasizes the kinetic energy of a wavefunction being related to its curvature, indicating that faster oscillations lead to higher kinetic energy.

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There is no consensus on the interpretations of confinement and nodes, with multiple competing views and some participants challenging each other's claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts in quantum mechanics.

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Some statements rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics, and there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of confinement and nodes. The discussion includes references to various quantum systems and mathematical formulations without reaching definitive conclusions.

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I have a couple things I don't understand:

1. Why is it that the more you conifne a particle, the higher its energy is?
2. Why is it that the more nodes there are in the wavefunction the higher the energy is?
3. What causes the energy of a particle to be quantized?

thanks!
 
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1.What do you mean by "conifne a particle"...?If you mean "confine a particle",i have to ask you what do you mean by this...?
2.What are nodes of a wave function...?I've never heard that a function would have nodes...
3.Principles of QM...Essentially the second.

Daniel.
 
sarabellum02 said:
I have a couple things I don't understand:

1. Why is it that the more you conifne a particle, the higher its energy is?
Are you referring to quarkconfinemnt, then your answer is asymptotic freedom...


2. Why is it that the more nodes there are in the wavefunction the higher the energy is?

Are you referring to nodal planes of orbitals?then your answer is the magnetic quantumnumber...(at least to some extent)

3. What causes the energy of a particle to be quantized?

thanks!
Mother Nature

marlon
 
It's not true that the more you confine something the more energy it has -- what is true is that the more you confine something, the variance in it's momentum will increase.

As for the node thing; I think sarabellum means that in a "particle in a box", the number of nodes refers to the number of points where the wavefunction [itex]\psi(x)=0[/itex]. There is no reason as to why that is -- it's just how the solutions to Schrödinger's equation works out.

And for the third point, as marlon says, that's just how nature is. If energy wasn't quantised, one could ask "Why is energy continuous?" and so on.

Masud.
 
masudr said:
what is true is that the more you confine something, the variance in it's momentum will increase.

This is not entirely correct. Just look at quarks...

Besides, what exactly do you mean by this and how does it apply to QM?

marlon
 
sarabellum02 said:
I have a couple things I don't understand:
1. Why is it that the more you conifne a particle, the higher its energy is?
sarabellum probably means, if you make the well smaller, the energies become higher.
Click on this link http://www.quantum-physics.polytechnique.fr/en/pages/p0203.html, and change the width of the well, by dragging the left bottom corner of the well.

sarabellum02 said:
2. Why is it that the more nodes there are in the wavefunction the higher the energy is?
sarabellum probably means for example the harmonic oscillator eigenstates.
The higher the energy, the more zeros (sarabellum calls them nodes) the wavefunction has http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

I think that's just the result of QM calculations.

sarabellum02 said:
3. What causes the energy of a particle to be quantized?
Hmm...as marlon said, it's nature.
 
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marlon said:
...how does it apply to QM?

It's the celebrated Uncertainty Principle.
 
sarabellum02 said:
1. Why is it that the more you conifne a particle, the higher its energy is?
I think I know what you mean, bur truth is, I'm not sure how exactly to give you a good answer.

sarabellum02 said:
2. Why is it that the more nodes there are in the wavefunction the higher the energy is?
As some mentioned before, nodes are the points where the wavefuncion equals 0 (like the nodes of a vibrating string).
The fact that the more nodes there are, the higher is the energy actually happens with any kind of wave. Again, think in a vibrating string, the stronger you make it vibrate (i.e. the more energy you give to it), the bigger is the number of nodes.
The explanation on why that is so, is pretty much like this: the higher the number of nodes per unit distance, the more oscilations there are, which means the bigger is the wavenumber, and thus the higher is the energy (remember that in the case of the wavefunction, the momentum of the particle it's proportional to the wavenumber).
In fact, in more than one QM problem (I'm not sure if there's a general rule, maybe not), the number of nodes is actually closely related to the quantum number you use for the energy.

sarabellum02 said:
3. What causes the energy of a particle to be quantized?
More or less, this comes as a result of Schrödinger equation, energy is quantized whenever there are bound states (i.e. the potential confine the wavefunction to be in a certain place), when that happens, you have to force the wavefunction to be zero at certain point in space (like infinite, or the extremun of a infinite square well) and those boundary conditions can only be met by certain values of the wavenumber (and thus, the energy).
There are good discussions on this point in some standard Quantum Mechanics textbooks, like Eisberg & Resnick and Cohen-Tanoudji.
 
Thanks for your help everyone!
 
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sarabellum02 said:
2. Why is it that the more nodes there are in the wavefunction the higher the energy is?

The kinetic energy of a wave function comes from:
[tex]\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{d^2 \Psi}{dx^2}[/tex]
so it's related to the derivative of the wavefunction. If the wave function wiggles faster, then it has a larger derivative and will have more KE.

sarabellum02 said:
I have a couple things I don't understand:

1. Why is it that the more you conifne a particle, the higher its energy is?

If you're looking at the square well, when you make the well size smaller, the energies get larger. If you look at the ground state wavefunction, making the well size smaller, with the restriction that it has to be zero at the ends and it has to be normalized makes it so the wavefunction has to go to zero faster as it approaches the edges of the well. This makes it so its derivatives are larger, and hence larger kinetic energy.
 

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