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The discussion revolves around the classification of a differential equation, specifically whether it has constant or variable coefficients, and whether it is linear or homogeneous. Participants explore the nature of the equation and the implications of its coefficients.

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  • One participant identifies the equation as linear, non-homogeneous, and with variable coefficients, while another asserts it has constant coefficients.
  • Another participant describes the equation as an "equi-potential" or "Euler type" equation, noting that it can be transformed into one with constant coefficients through a change of variable.
  • There is a correction regarding the notation of the logarithm, with emphasis on the proper use of "ln(t)" instead of "In(t)".
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loli12
i was asked to identify the following, linear? homogeneous? variable/constant coefficient?

note: x' = dx/dt

3(t^2)x'' = tx' + 4x -In(t)

I thought this is a linear, non-homogenous equation with variable coefficient, but the answer said this eqt has constant coefficient.. can someone please explain to me why?
Thanks
 
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loli12 said:
i was asked to identify the following, linear? homogeneous? variable/constant coefficient?

note: x' = dx/dt

3(t^2)x'' = tx' + 4x -In(t)

I thought this is a linear, non-homogenous equation with variable coefficient, but the answer said this eqt has constant coefficient.. can someone please explain to me why?
Thanks

The equation has variable coefficients: the t's in front of the derivatives. I bet a dollar your answer is right.
 
It is an "equi-potential" or "Euler type" equation since the coefficient of each derivative has degree equal to the order of the derivative. It can be converted to an equation with constant coefficients by the change of variable, u= ln(t). Then
x'= (dx/du)(du/dt)= (1/t)(dx/du) etc.

By the way, it is "ln(t)" not "In(t)". I see that over and over again. Does it not occur to anyone that "I" would be a very peculiar initial for a "l"ogarithm?
 
HallsofIvy said:
It is an "equi-potential" or "Euler type" equation since the coefficient of each derivative has degree equal to the order of the derivative. It can be converted to an equation with constant coefficients by the change of variable, u= ln(t). Then
x'= (dx/du)(du/dt)= (1/t)(dx/du) etc.

By the way, it is "ln(t)" not "In(t)". I see that over and over again. Does it not occur to anyone that "I" would be a very peculiar initial for a "l"ogarithm?

Thanks Hall. Glad it was only a dollar. I took the time to work through that. So for the benefit of me and loli12:

[tex]ax^2\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+bx\frac{dy}{dx}+cy=0[/tex]

Letting [itex]t=ln(x)[/itex] or [itex]x=e^t[/itex] and using the chain rule we have:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dy}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{dy}{dx}\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{dx}{dt}[\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}\frac{dx}{dt}][/tex]

And so:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=e^{-t}\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=e^{-2t}[\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}-\frac{dy}{dt}][/tex]

Substituting this into the equation leads to:

[tex]ay^{''}+(b-a)y^{'}+cy=0[/tex]

Oh yea, when you solve for y(t) in the converted equation, remember to convert it back to x using the substitution: [itex]t=ln(x)[/itex]. Ok, I'm done.
 
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But your original post just said you were supposed to identify it as "constant coefficients" or "variable coefficients"??
 

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