Does a Smaller Bicycle Tire Require Higher Pressure or a More Powerful Pump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between bicycle tire size, required pressure, and the effectiveness of hand pumps in achieving desired tire pressures. Participants explore the implications of using smaller tires and whether higher pressures or more powerful pumps are necessary for optimal performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difficulty in achieving high pressure with a small hand pump and questions whether the pressure is less effective in narrower tires.
  • Another participant explains that the tire pressure needed is related to the contact pressure, which depends on the load and contact patch area, suggesting that smaller contact patches require higher pressures.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the claimed pressure of 75 psi and suggests checking the pump specifications and tire pressure limits for safety.
  • It is mentioned that typical pressures for the discussed tires range between 90 and 120 psi.
  • One participant asserts that achieving the same pressure with a pump on a smaller volume tire is harder due to air loss when disconnecting the pump, which can be significant in smaller tires.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of achieving high pressure with smaller tires and the implications of tire volume on pressure maintenance. There is no consensus on whether higher pressures or more powerful pumps are definitively required.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about pump efficiency and tire pressure limits remain unverified, and the discussion does not resolve the technical details regarding the relationship between tire volume and pressure requirements.

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i have a small hand pump, that i can set on a block of wood and put all of my weight against to get some pretty high pressures. i dont' have a good gauge so I'm not really sure what i can do with it, other than get tires pretty high pressure (if i had to guess, at the least 75psi).

i recently built up a new bike, with rather skinny road tires (25c wide). i usually ride tires a bit wider, but i wanted to go faster and have less rolling resistance. normally, i can pump up my bike tires so they are hard as a rock, and uncomfortable almost to ride. the new bike though, the tires are still a bit low feeling.

is it harder to get the same pressure with the same pump on a smaller volume tire? or am i getting the same pressure, but the pressure is less effective since my tire is narrower, meaning i really need a pump that can handle a greater pressure altogether?

my guess is that i just need higher pressure, and my pump is going to be able to handle the same pressure regardless of hte volume it is filling, but, i thought i would ask you guys and save myself embarrassment somewhere else. thanks
 
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The tire pressure needed to support a load is roughly equal to the contact pressure between the tire and road (plus some additional pressure for internal tire stresses). The contact pressure between tire and road is simply the load on the tire divided by the contact patch area. So the smaller the contact patch area, the higher the tire pressure has to be for any given load.

That's just a rough order of magnitude calculation since there are still some affects from internal stresses within the tire which results in the tire pressure actually being slightly higher than this, but it's a good way of looking at tire pressure.
 
the pump create the pressure difference, so it does not matter what voulume do you want to pressurize. But I am a little bit suspicious about 75 psi- that is rather high. I guess you do not have specifications for you manual(?) pump, but can you check them in the store? And there should be some specifications for the tire pressure, which means that the tire will not immediately blow up above it, but you should be careful with that.
 
these tires are typically run between 90 and 120psi. yeah, anyways, I've got it figured out, thanks
 
trancefishy said:
is it harder to get the same pressure with the same pump on a smaller volume tire?
It is harder because the way most pumps work, disconnecting the pump from the tire results in the release of some air. When the tire volume is small, this small amount of air can be a significant fraction of the total air in the tire.
 

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