Calculating Work in Isothermal Gas Expansion with Variable R_v

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a gas during isothermal expansion, specifically focusing on expressing the work in terms of initial pressure, initial volume, and a variable ratio of final to initial volumes (R_v). Participants are exploring how to incorporate these variables into their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the ideal gas law and the Mendeleev-Clapeyron equation to derive expressions for work. There are questions about how to express pressure in terms of the given variables and concerns about the use of constants in the problem.

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Some participants have suggested potential expressions for work, while others express uncertainty about how to arrive at a solution using only the specified variables. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationships between pressure, volume, and the constants involved.

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Participants note that the problem constraints require the use of specific variables, and there is a mention of the challenge in deriving a solution without introducing undefined variables. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Calculate the work W done by the gas during the isothermal expansion (path C). It may be be convenient to generalize your results by using the variable R_v, which is the ratio of final to initial volumes (equal to 4 for the expansions shown in the figure.)
Express W in terms of p_0, V_0, and R_v.

I've been at this question for ages and I just can't see how p_0 fits into the answer. The hints say to find an expression for p(V) in terms of p_0, V_0 and V and I can't even seem to do that. Any help would be much appreciated.
 

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U can find it writing Mendeleev-Clapeyron's equation for the initial & final states.

U have to integrate it to get the answer.

Daniel.
 
Knowing that

[tex]W = \int_{V_1}^{V_2} p ~dV[/tex]

and

[tex]p = \frac {nRT}{V}[/tex]

you can get

[tex]W=nRT \ln \frac {V_2}{V_1}[/tex]

Since it is an isoterm, then [itex]T[/itex] is constant.

[tex]p_1V_1 = p_2 V_2[/tex] or

[tex]\frac {V_2}{V_1} = R_V = \frac {p_1}{p_2}[/tex]

This is a MP problem isn't it?
 
Yes it is :(
I understand that W is equivilent to that equation you wrote, I just don't know how to get an answer with only p_0, V_0 and R_v and not n, T and R
 
Well If I recall correctly, just because MP says you have to use these variables, it doesn't mean all the variables have to be used. But you can't use variables that aren't defined for the problem.

So you agree that

[tex]W=nRT \ln R_v[/tex]

Since n, R, T are all constants in this problem.

[tex]p_0V_0 = nRT = pV[/tex], then perhaps your final answer is

[tex]W=nRT \ln R_v = p_0 V_0 \ln R_v[/tex]

Enter that on your own risk, I never liked MP. Good luck.
 
I had the same problem. It works now though :)
 

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