Question regarding the expanding universe

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of the expanding universe, particularly focusing on the speeds of galaxies post-Big Bang and the implications of gravitational forces and dark energy. Participants explore whether galaxies are slowing down or speeding up, the nature of the Big Bang, and the potential for measuring cosmic expansion to predict future events.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the speed of galaxies is constant or if they are slowing down, suggesting that gravity might eventually pull everything back to the Big Bang site.
  • Another participant asserts that galaxies are actually speeding up, indicating that there are theories about a force overcoming gravity, though specifics are not detailed.
  • A question is raised about the causes of galaxies speeding up, prompting further exploration of dark energy as a potential explanation.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the Big Bang did not occur at a specific location, as space and time originated from it, complicating the notion of a "where" for the Big Bang.
  • One participant mentions that measuring the speed and changes in the motion of galaxies could help estimate the age of the universe, linking this to observational cosmology.
  • Another participant discusses a theoretical critical density of hydrogen in the universe that could lead to a collapse, contrasting this with the current understanding of dark matter and its implications for cosmic expansion and potential "big crunch" scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether galaxies are slowing down or speeding up, with no consensus reached on the underlying causes of these dynamics. The nature of the Big Bang and its implications also remain contested, with multiple theories presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various theories, including dark energy and dark matter, but express uncertainty regarding their implications and the extent of current understanding. The discussion reflects limitations in measuring cosmic expansion and the complexities of gravitational interactions.

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When Big Bang occurred everything was thrown in different directions at high speeds.
Is this speed constant or are the speed at which galaxies travel slowing down?
Since the general theory seems to be that Big Bang is a neverending procedure, galaxies should be slowed down by the gravity of the galaxies going the other way until everything gets pulled back to where the big bang occurs.
Is there a flaw in my reasoning?
If not, would it not be possible to measure how much galaxies are slowed down, and in that case predict where the site of big bang is located and even calculate the time when this will occur?

Thankfull for answers.

/Tage
 
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Tage said:
When Big Bang occurred everything was thrown in different directions at high speeds.
Is this speed constant or are the speed at which galaxies travel slowing down?
Neither. Speeding up.

Tage said:
Since the general theory seems to be that Big Bang is a neverending procedure, galaxies should be slowed down by the gravity of the galaxies going the other way until everything gets pulled back to where the big bang occurs.
Is there a flaw in my reasoning?
No more so than Einstein's. There are various theories as to what force is overcoming gravity. When it's done and dusted, it'll hit the major news stations.

Tage said:
If not, would it not be possible to measure how much galaxies are slowed down, and in that case predict where the site of big bang is located and even calculate the time when this will occur?
/Tage
The big bang did not occur in any particular space that exists now. From the big bang came space and time, so all of the space in the universe now comes from the big bang. It kind of happened everywhere.
 
What causes galaxies to speed up?
 
As I said, there are various theories and I know little about most of them, and nothing about some of them no doubt. Dark energy is, I think, still the most prevalent theory but I generally turn off when people talk about something that hasn't been detected that explains it all away... Google it and see what you find.
 
Tage said:
If not, would it not be possible to measure how much galaxies are slowed down, and in that case predict where the site of big bang is located and even calculate the time when this will occur?

As El Hombre said, there is no "where" for the Big Bang, but what you're describing is very similar to what we've been trying to do in observational cosmology. Basically, if we can measure how fast the galaxies are moving from one another and how quickly this motion is changing, we can get an estimate of the age of the universe.
 
If the universe had 4 Hydrogen atoms or over per cubic meter, it would reach a crucial value where inevitably all of the matter would start collapsing back on itself (Like if you reverse Time of the expansion of the universe). Though this sounds like a small value, the known universe is nowhere near this value. The Earth and the solar system have a lot of mass involved, as more so with galaxies. But most of the universe is empty area with galaxies seperating, so it all equals itself out.

However, there is a theory of Dark Matter which for some reason doesn't interact with photons as we would normally expect matter to. If the theory is true, the universe has enough mass to go way beyond this crucial value, which in this case would cause the universe to stop expanding, and to reverse into the "big crunch" after so much time.

I think this is what I've heard anyway.
 

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