Good Texts for Independent Study

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around recommendations for textbooks on Differential Geometry suitable for independent study at the undergraduate level. Participants share various texts and their experiences with them, highlighting different approaches and levels of difficulty.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend Spivak's "Calculus on Manifolds" as a foundational text, emphasizing its thorough exercises and introduction to tensors and differential forms.
  • Others caution that Spivak's comprehensive text is lengthy and may overwhelm some students, suggesting alternatives like Noel J. Hicks, do Carmo, or Ted Shifrin's notes for a more accessible start.
  • One participant suggests that students with limited geometric experience might benefit from starting with 2- and 3-dimensional differential geometry to build intuition before tackling Spivak.
  • John Oprea's Differential Geometry and Millman and Parker's text are also mentioned as good introductory resources.
  • There is a discussion about the varying appropriateness of Spivak's text based on the student's background, with some finding it suitable for advanced students while others deem it too challenging for beginners.
  • A participant mentions Flanders' book as a quality resource based on personal experience with it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of different texts, indicating that there is no consensus on a single best book for all students. The discussion reflects multiple competing views on the appropriateness of Spivak's text versus other alternatives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the effectiveness of a textbook may depend on the individual student's background and geometric experience, suggesting that personal preference and prior knowledge play significant roles in selecting a suitable text.

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Hello.

I was wondeirng if anyone knew any good textbooks on Differential Geometry for independent study, at an undergraduate level. Thanks a bunch!

-Tim
 
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Start with Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds for a well-grounded introduction to the calculus of tensors and differential forms on manifolds. Note that there is not a single useless or wasted exercise in the entire book. All of them should be taken as part of the text. You can then use Spivak's "Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry".
 
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although spivaks comprehensive text is the best overall diff geom book out there, it is so loong you can get lost or bogged down.


you might try some easier books like Noel J Hicks, or do Carmo, or Ted Shifrin's notes availablef ree from his website at University of georgia first.

Spivak spends an entire thick book, vol 1, on foundations of diff manifolds, a bit of a heavy meal. then vol 2 is a fantastic intro to the curvature tensor, the heart of diff geom. then it just goes on from there.

so if you get bored in vol 1 just go on to vol 2 for the geometry and refer back to vol 2 for needed facts. of course you need the definition of a manifold and a tangent space but that's about all.

a very easy book to read on a closely related subject diff top, is by guillemin and pollack, and intended for undergrads.
 
If you have little geometric experience outside of high school geometry, then you might not want to start out with Spivak. Investigating 2- and 3-diml. differential geometry first, in order to build up some intuition particularly with regard to curvature, might be the best option... leaving small Spivak for, say, a senior thesis.

Thus, I would recommend John Oprea's Differential Geometry, Millman and Parker's text (Elements of Differential Geometry, I think), and/or Do Carmo's book on the geometry of curves and surfaces.
 
well of course it depends on how strong the student is. I taught from little spivak in my senior level advanced calc course as a Pre PhD teacher at a small regional school 30 years ago, and it was too strong for the weaker ones and excellent for the strongest one. Our own state university uses it for junior level math majors and it works about right there. At Harvard they often start out strong sophomores and freshmen on much harder stuff.

So shop around among these recommendations for the one that lights your fire without scorching you.
 
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mathwonk said:
although spivaks comprehensive text is the best overall diff geom book out there, it is so loong you can get lost or bogged down.


you might try some easier books like Noel J Hicks, or do Carmo, or Ted Shifrin's notes availablef ree from his website at University of georgia first.

Spivak spends an entire thick book, vol 1, on foundations of diff manifolds, a bit of a heavy meal. then vol 2 is a fantastic intro to the curvature tensor, the heart of diff geom. then it just goes on from there.

so if you get bored in vol 1 just go on to vol 2 for the geometry and refer back to vol 2 for needed facts. of course you need the definition of a manifold and a tangent space but that's about all.

a very easy book to read on a closely related subject diff top, is by guillemin and pollack, and intended for undergrads.



Could you please give me the website for the note?
 
Flanders has a good book on diff G. My teacher tought me from it, I was pleased with its quality.
 

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