How to determine whether two complex trig equation is identical.

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The discussion revolves around methods for determining whether two complex trigonometric expressions or integrals are identical. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of trigonometric identities and numerical checks, within the context of integral calculus.

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  • One participant expresses a common issue with verifying the equivalence of integral expressions obtained from different sources.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric identities to simplify expressions for comparison, citing specific examples of integrals and their forms.
  • A participant questions the equivalence of different forms of the sine function, specifically sin(3x), and proposes an alternative expression.
  • There is a correction regarding the expression for sin(2x), clarifying its definition in response to the previous question.
  • One participant proposes a numerical method to test the equality of two expressions by integrating a modified function that includes both expressions, suggesting that if the integral yields a specific result, the expressions are equal.
  • The same participant notes that the integral machine recognizes certain identities, such as the relationship between sin(3x) and other sine functions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a general method for determining the equivalence of complex trigonometric expressions. Multiple approaches are discussed, and some disagreements arise regarding specific identities and their applications.

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Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their proposed methods, particularly the numerical approach, which may depend on the assumptions made during integration. There is also a lack of clarity on the implications of simplifying expressions before integration.

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I believe, many of us had this problem:


After finding the integral of some function, we wonder, what the right answer would be. So we goto http://integrals.wolfram.com to look up the answer. The answer the "Integral machine" gave is not always in the same form our answers are.


For example: ∫ Cos[x]^3 = u - u^3/3, where u = sin x.

The answer the integral machine outputs would be something more nastier...


Can someone explain, how do you generally determine whether an expression is identical to another expression(usually in a more complex form)?
 
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I don't know of a general method, but you can handle trigonometric cases by using the relevant identities. For instance, in the example you cited you have:

∫cos3(x)dx=sin(x)-(1/3)sin3(x)+C

Wolfram's "Integral Machine" gave this answer:

∫cos3(x}dx=(3/4)sin(x)+(1/12)sin(3x)+C

(note, in both cases I added the "+C" in myself).

The obvious difficulty in comparing the above antiderivatives is in the "3x" argument in the second one. You need to use an identity that reduces the argument to "x" in every term.

The identity is:

sin3(x)=(3/4)sin(x)-(1/4)sin(3x)
 
isn't Sin3x also ((1-cos2x)/2)*sinx?
 
Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
isn't Sin3x also ((1-cos2x)/2)*sinx?

No, sin2[/color](x)=(1/2)(1-cos(2x)).
 
one way that will at least disprove the two formula's equality would be plugging in a few numbers.

i tried to see if the integrals site will accept the command FullSimplify or Simplify in the integrand. first of all, to see if that would even help, i inputted 0 for the integrand. got nothing. so i inputted 1, for which i got x. the idea would have been to have it integrate 1+FullSimplify[G(x)-H(X)] where G and H are the two things you want to see if are equal. if the answer was x, then they're equal.

i had it integrate 1+(Sin[x]^2)-((1-Cos[2x])/2) and it gave x as the answer, so it seems to Simplify or FullSimplify its answers before drawing them.

so to see if H(x)=G(x), have it integrate 1+H(x)-G(x) and if it gives x then H(x)=G(x). having it integrate H(x)-G(x) to get 0 has worked at least once. the problem with doing that is if it thinks H(x)-G(x) is 0 prior to integrating, it won't like it.

it even knew that sin3(x)=(3/4)sin(x)-(1/4)sin(3x) or at least that ∫sin3(x)=∫(3/4)sin(x)-(1/4)sin(3x)
 
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