What is the theorem about modulos and relatively prime numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of modular arithmetic, particularly focusing on the relationships between powers of integers and their behavior under different moduli. Participants explore the implications of certain modular equations and theorems related to relatively prime numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants examine the manipulation of modular equations, questioning whether substitutions can lead to valid conclusions. There are discussions about the implications of cyclic properties of powers in modular arithmetic and how these relate to theorems involving relatively prime integers.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering various interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some have suggested potential connections between different modular expressions, while others express uncertainty about the implications of their reasoning. There is no clear consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of modular arithmetic definitions and properties, with references to specific theorems that may or may not apply to their current reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the definitions and relationships being discussed.

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Is it possible to manipulate and substitute modulos like so

a^5 = a (mod 5)
a^3 = a (mod 3)

a^15 = a (mod 15)

By substituting the first into the second?
 
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It helps to fall back on the definitions...

Recall that a^5 = a (mod 5) means 5 | (a^5 - a).
Similarly, a^3 = a (mod 3) means 3 | (a^3 - a).

Now that the problem's converted into ordinary arithmetic, can you figure anything out?
 
so 15 | (a^5 - a)(a^3 - a)
or 15 | a^8 - a^6 - a^4 + a^2

is that what you mean, Hurkyl?
 
a^p (mod n) as a increases or as p increases is cyclic, is it not? I think I can answer my question using this property.
 
is that what you mean, Hurkyl?
Yep.

a^p (mod n) as a increases or as p increases is cyclic, is it not? I think I can answer my question using this property.
Huh? I'm not sure if you're getting there or not...
 
Mmm, I thought I needed this property to prove another theorem, but it seems I was wrong. I'll try to do it anyway though:

5n = a^5-a
3k = a^3-a

5n-3k = a^5-a^3 = a^2(a^3-a)

I'll try to finish later.
 
Here's another way of looking at it: if a^15 = a (mod 15), then you have a = a^15 = (a^3)^5 = a^5 (mod 3). Do you think a = a^5 (mod 3)?

Now you do have this nifty theorem:

If m and n are relatively prime, then:

[tex] m^{\phi(n)} = 1 \mod n[/tex]
 

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