Limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) for a>1, b!=0

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression \( x \ln(a) - \ln(a^x + b) \) as \( x \) approaches infinity, where \( a > 1 \) and \( b \neq 0 \). Participants explore various approaches to simplify and analyze the limit, including algebraic manipulation and the potential application of L'Hôpital's rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses the limit question, expressing curiosity rather than it being a homework problem.
  • Another suggests using logarithm rules to rearrange the expression, aiming to simplify the limit to a single logarithm.
  • A different participant proposes a specific rearrangement of the limit into the form \( \lim_{x \to \infty} \ln \left( \frac{a^x}{a^x + b} \right) \) and notes the presence of an indeterminate form.
  • Further, a participant advises dividing both the numerator and denominator within the logarithm by \( a^x \), leading to a new limit expression that simplifies the analysis.
  • One participant introduces L'Hôpital's rule, explaining its applicability to forms that yield \( \frac{0}{0} \) or \( \frac{\infty}{\infty} \), but does not assert its use in this specific case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to evaluate the limit, and multiple approaches are proposed without resolution of which is most effective.

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There is mention of an indeterminate form within the logarithm, and the discussion includes various algebraic manipulations that may or may not lead to a conclusive evaluation of the limit.

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*Not really homework, just curious:

[tex]\forall a > 1 , b \ne 0, \lim_{x\to \infty} [ x \ln (a) - \ln (a^x + b) ] = \; {?}[/tex]
 
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Use common logarithm rules to rearrange the expression inside the limit. You should end up with only the limit of a single logarithm.
 
I think you mean rearranging the expression as:
[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{x \to \infty } \ln \left( {\frac{{a^x }}{{a^x + b}}} \right)[/tex]

Hmm, how would I advance from there? An indeterminate form exists within the natural logarithm, although I'm not quite sure that would justify using L'Hopital.

Perhaps some additional algebraic manipulation is required?
 
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You can then divide both numerator and denominator within the natural logarithm by ax, something like:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{a ^ x}{a ^ x + b} \right) = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{\frac{a ^ x}{a ^ x}}{\frac{a ^ x + b}{a ^ x}} \right) = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{1}{1 + \frac{b}{a ^ x}} \right)[/tex].
Can you go from here?
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L'Hopital's rule can be use to solve [itex]\frac{0}{0}[/itex], or [itex]\frac{\infty}{\infty}[/itex] form. It states:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}[/tex].
Note that it can only be used when f(x), and g(x) both tend to 0 or infinity.
Viet Dao,
 
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