What is the Wavefunction of a Particle Confined in a Circular Tube?

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The discussion revolves around determining the wavefunction of a particle confined in a circular tube, specifically focusing on the implications of boundary conditions and the geometry of the system. The subject area includes quantum mechanics and wavefunctions in cylindrical coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the geometry of the tube, questioning whether it is a toroidal shape or a cylindrical one. There are discussions about the appropriate Hamiltonian in cylindrical coordinates and the implications of boundary conditions on the wavefunction. Some participants suggest using Bessel functions, while others question their necessity.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on using cylindrical coordinates and the time-independent Schrödinger equation, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding boundary conditions and the form of the wavefunction.

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Participants note the importance of boundary conditions, such as the wavefunction being zero at the boundaries and the periodic nature of the wavefunction in a circular geometry. There is also mention of potential variations affecting the wavefunction.

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I am not sure how to solve this question. I can only say that, the wavelength is an integral number multiple of the circumference. Then?

A particle is confined to move in a circular tube with radius R. Work out the wavefunction of this particle.
 
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Are they talking about a torus-shaped tube (donut)? what's the other dimension?
or a circular cross-section cylinder (what length?)
 
lightgrav said:
Are they talking about a torus-shaped tube (donut)? what's the other dimension?
or a circular cross-section cylinder (what length?)

More like a string with two ends connected to each other to form a circle. Like a big letter "O" .
 
You mean a ring of radius 'r'.
Have you learned the expression for the Hamiltonian in cylindrical co-ordinates?
 
The only thing you can say is that there are an integer number of wavelengths.
You can write it as Aexp(imΦ) multiplied by a delta-function (r-R) .
but then you would be specifying a Φ=0 orientation,
so you should include an arbitrary phase angle in the exponent.

But this is really the same thing.
 
touqra said:
A particle is confined to move in a circular tube with radius R. Work out the wavefunction of this particle.

To find the wavefunction, you have to solve the time independent Schrödinger equation [tex]H \Psi = E \Psi[/tex]. Because of the symmetry for a particle confined to move in a ring, working in the cylindrical polar co-ordinates will save you a lot of time.
So, if you write down the Hamiltonian Operator in the cylindrical polar co-ordinates(remember that the radius is constant), you will be able to work out the wavefunction of the particle.
 
Separate variables in the time-indep SE and then, using boundary conditions (the wavefunction must be 0 on the boundar) find the solution. Hope you've seen and worked with Bessel functions before.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby, I think it's possible to solve this question without any knowledge of Bessel fuctions.
Also, won't we be using the periodic boundary condition [tex]\Psi(\theta) = \Psi(\theta + 2\pi)[/tex]? How do we use the fact that the wavefunction must be 0 on the boundary?
 
There is no as such some fixed wavefunction of the partyicle in a ring. Generally it is some exponential function , like for an electron in Bohr radius it is [itex]e^(-r)[/itex] . For deciphering the wavefunction , you also need to satisfy the boundary conditions , like how potential varies , it can assumed to be zero on the path particle moves , infinite potential generally implies the particle is forbidded to pass the barrier.

BJ
 

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