What Machines Can Determine the Composition of Carbon Ions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the composition and characteristics of carbon ions, including the machines that may be used to determine their properties. Participants explore various aspects of carbon ions, including their formation and the nature of related compounds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition and nature of carbon ions, questioning whether they refer to specific compounds like carbides.
  • One participant suggests that carbon can exist in both negative ion forms, such as carbide ions, and positive states, raising uncertainty about the nature of hydrocarbons.
  • Another participant clarifies that CO2 is not an ion, which challenges the earlier mention of positive ions associated with carbon.
  • It is noted that in hydrocarbons, covalent bonding occurs without the involvement of ions in C-H bonds, suggesting a different chemical behavior than that of ionic compounds.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the classification of carbon species and their ionic or covalent nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of carbon species, with some confusion surrounding the nature of carbon ions and their compounds. There is no consensus on the definitions or characteristics of carbon ions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of terms like "carbon ions" and the lack of resolution on the nature of hydrocarbons and their bonding characteristics.

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what is your knowledge about carbon ions? is there a machine that determines its creature?
 
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maria curie said:
what is your knowledge about carbon ions? is there a machine that determines its creature?
What are you asking exactly?
 
By "carbon ion" do you mean carbide, C2-2? eg as in CaC2 or Na2C2. Metallic carbides are made by reacting carbon with the desired oxide or cyanamide at high temperatures.
 
I think carbon is a bit strange... You do get carbide ions but then you also positive ions such as CO2. I am unsure how hydrocarbons form though and if the carbon has a negative ion or a positive (the hydrogen must have the positive, or does it?)
 
CO2 is not an ion.
 
In hydrocarbons, covalent bonding occurs. There's no ions involved between the C-H bonds.

itsjustme said:
I think carbon is a bit strange... You do get carbide ions but then you also positive ions such as CO2.

The same thing occurs with many other nonmetals like nitrogen, oxygen.
 

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