Is Congressman Ney's Guilty Plea the First of Many in the Abramoff Scandal?

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The discussion revolves around the guilty plea of Congressman Bob Ney in relation to the Jack Abramoff political corruption scandal. Participants explore the implications of Ney's plea, his previous denials of wrongdoing, and comparisons to other political figures involved in corruption cases. The scope includes political ethics, legal ramifications, and public perception of corruption in politics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Ney's guilty plea marks him as the first U.S. lawmaker convicted in the Abramoff scandal, highlighting the seriousness of the allegations against him.
  • Others reflect on Ney's previous statements denying wrongdoing, suggesting a reversal in his position as the investigation intensified.
  • A participant references Ney's admission of accepting benefits in exchange for official acts, questioning the integrity of political figures involved in similar scandals.
  • Some comments draw parallels between Ney's situation and that of other politicians, such as Mr. Jefferson, who also faced corruption allegations, indicating a broader pattern of political corruption.
  • There is discussion about Ney's claims of alcohol dependence as a factor in his actions, with mixed reactions regarding the validity of this excuse.

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Participants express a range of views on Ney's plea and its implications, with no clear consensus on the broader impact of his actions or the effectiveness of his explanations. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of Ney's statements and the motivations behind them.

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Limitations include the lack of detailed legal analysis of Ney's plea deal and the implications for other politicians involved in similar scandals. The discussion does not resolve the ethical considerations surrounding political corruption.

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Readers interested in political ethics, corruption scandals, and the legal consequences faced by public officials may find this discussion relevant.

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WASHINGTON, Sept 15 (Reuters) - A Republican congressman agreed to plead guilty to illegally accepting tens of thousands of dollars in trips, meals, drinks and tickets, becoming the first U.S. lawmaker convicted in the Jack Abramoff political corruption scandal, U.S. officials said on Friday.

The plea deal represented a sharp reversal for Ohio Rep. Bob Ney, who had denied any wrongdoing. He was first elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1994 and abandoned his race for re-election last month as the federal investigation intensified into his links to the convicted lobbyist Abramoff.
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"Congressman Ney admits that he corruptly solicited and accepted a stream of benefits valued at tens of thousands of dollars in exchange for agreeing to perform and performing a series of official acts," Assistant Attorney General Alice Fisher said.

"He also admitted deceiving the public and the U.S. House of Representatives about his actions," she said.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2006-09-15T220645Z_01_N1556246_RTRIDST_0_CRIME-ABRAMOFF-NEY-UPDATE-2.XML

And there you have it!
 
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(Tom D., Bill J., take a hint.)
 
And here's my PF post about good ol' Bob from waaaayyyy back in January:

a much younger Rach3 said:
Bob Ney: Another House leader steps down "temporarily"

WASHINGTON - Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), an Ohio Republican implicated in a lobbying corruption investigation, said Sunday he will step aside temporarily as chairman of the House Administration Committee.

"Unfortunately it has become clear to me in recent days that the false allegations made against me have become a distraction to the important work of the House Republican Conference and the important work that remains ahead for the House Administration Committee," Ney said in a written statement.
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Court papers released as part of Abramoff's plea to charges of conspiracy, mail fraud and income tax evasion detailed lavish gifts and contributions that Abramoff says he gave an unnamed House member, identified elsewhere as Ney.[/color]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060116/ap_on_go_co/ney_abramoff (emphasis mine)

My hat says this one's finished for good.[/color]
https://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-106909.html

And, what do you know? My hat was right! :biggrin:

"...false allegations made against me have become a distraction to the important work..."

gotta love that optimism!
 
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Unbeknownst to the two men, the Federal Bureau of Investigation had been monitoring their dealings. Less than three weeks later, agents raided Mr. Jefferson’s homes, in Washington and in New Orleans, and found stacks of cash stuffed in a freezer.

Mr. Jackson, 54, has pleaded guilty to paying more than $400,000 in bribes for Mr. Jefferson’s help; on Sept. 8, he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
Mr. Jefferson, who is seeking a ninth term in office, said earlier this year that his family’s dealings with Mr. Jackson were legitimate, and that when “all is said and done, you will see that there is an honorable explanation for everything.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/washington/16jefferson.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin

"Honorable explanation" - that means he puts on airs and goes "I admit I did bad things. They were wrong. I feel sorrow for the American people." Of course you have to be more eloquent and honor-filled than that; Mr. Jefferson, may I recommend the Bob Ney statement referenced in the above NYT article? Or perhaps you would prefer the more pathos-heavy Randy Cunningham episode from last spring?
 
Back to Bob Ney.

Guide for corrupt congressmen: when you get caught, how to excuse your actions.

Ney said:
“I have come to recognize that a dependence on alcohol has been a problem for me,” said Mr. Ney, who friends say entered an in-patient alcohol-treatment facility this week.
Ney makes excuses.
“I am not making any excuses, and I take full responsibility for my actions.”
Ney excuses his excuses.
Ironic he thinks up alcoholism. Look what this United States Congressman accepted bribes for:

In 2002, Mr. Ney admitted, he introduced an amendment in the House to allow a “foreign-beverage-distiller client of Abramoff’s lobbying firm” to label its alcohol as “made in Russia” when in fact it was to be distilled in a former Soviet Republic outside of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/us/16ney.html?ref=us
 

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