Help with proving limits using Epsilon-Delta definition

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The discussion revolves around proving limits of quadratic functions using the Epsilon-Delta definition, specifically focusing on the limit of the function f(x) = x^2 + 1 as x approaches 1. Participants explore the necessary steps and relationships to establish the limit rigorously.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the limit and outlines their initial steps, questioning how to relate |x+1||x-1| to |x-1| to find delta in terms of epsilon.
  • Another participant suggests using the triangle inequality to bound |x + 1|, proposing that |x + 1| can be expressed in terms of |x - 1| and a constant.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim of having found the limit, emphasizing that the value of 2 is merely a guess and not yet verified through the Epsilon-Delta definition.
  • This participant provides a structured approach to proving the limit, detailing assumptions and inequalities that must be satisfied to establish the limit rigorously.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction regarding the nature of the limit, clarifying the intent behind the initial statement about finding the limit.
  • Another participant expresses a light-hearted acknowledgment of their tone in the discussion, indicating a collaborative atmosphere despite earlier disagreements.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial claim of having found the limit, with some asserting it is merely a guess and others providing methods to verify it. The discussion contains both supportive guidance and critical challenges, indicating a mix of agreement on the need for rigorous proof and disagreement on the initial assertions.

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Some assumptions regarding the bounds of delta and epsilon are made, but these are not universally accepted or resolved within the discussion. The relationship between |x+1| and |x-1| is also not fully established, leaving some uncertainty in the approach.

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I am having trouble proving the limits of quadratic functions such as the following. (I used "E" to represent epsilon and "d" for delta)

lim [(x^2)+1]
x->1

I found the limit, L, to equal 2 and have proceeded through the following steps:

|f(x) - L| < E
| [(x^2)+1] - 1| < E
|[(x^2)-1]| < E
|x+1||x-1| < E

While I also know that 0 < |x-1| < d.

My question is how do you find the numerical relationship between |x+1||x-1| and |x-1| so that I may find d in terms of E?

(I was thinking of finding the bounded open interval in which |x+1||x-1| = |[(x^2)-1]| and substituting the greastest figure of the interval, which would be greater than |x+1|, in place of |x+1| so that I would have z|x-1|< E where z is an identified numerical value. However, in problems like the one above, |x+1||x-1| = |[(x^2)-1]| within a seemingly unbounded interval.)

please help. your time and assistance is very much appreciated.
 
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Use the triangle inequality perhaps, |x + 1| = |x - 1 + 2| <= |x - 1| + 2 < d + 2.
 
shirewolfe said:
I am having trouble proving the limits of quadratic functions such as the following. (I used "E" to represent epsilon and "d" for delta)

lim [(x^2)+1]
x->1

I found the limit, L, to equal 2 and have proceeded through the following steps:
First of all, you have NOT found the limit, and certainly not shown that it is 2!
What you have done, is to make a GUESS at the limit value!
(As it happens, you've made a correct guess, but that is irrelevant; it's still a guess).

What you are to do now, is:
1. Does my guess (2) satisfy the properties that a limit must have?
2. Let |x-1|&lt;\delta
3. Then, |x^{2}+1-2|=|x^{2}-1|=|x-1||x+1|
4. Now, by assumption, |x-1|&lt;\delta
Let us make a further assumption, that \delta&lt;1
Then, |x+1|&lt;2 (\delta&lt;1)
And:
|x^{2}+1-2|&lt;2\delta, (\delta&lt;1)
5. Let \epsilon&gt;0
If we are to have |x^{2}+1-2|&lt;\epsilon for all x satisfying |x-1|&lt;\delta it is sufficient if the following inequalities are simultaneously satisfied:
2\delta&lt;\epsilon
\delta&lt;1

Hence, setting \delta=min(\frac{\epsilon}{2},1) suffices.

That is, we were able to show that our guess (2) satisfy the properties a limit must have.
 
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By 'finding' 2 through the substitution of 1 in f(x)=[(x^2)+1] I meant that it was a possible limit whose validity must be varified through the E-d definition. Thank you for correcting me however, to avoid my own future confusion.

Thanks for the helpful guidance and clarification.
 
I was perhaps a bit too snappish on that point, don't bite me back, though..:wink:
 

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