Molecular-level explanation of macroscopic phenomena: dissolving

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The discussion revolves around the molecular-level explanation of the process of dissolving sugar in water and the subsequent recrystallization of sugar upon boiling the solution. Participants explore the interactions between sucrose molecules and water, as well as the physical changes that occur during dissolution and evaporation.

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  • One participant describes the macroscopic appearance of sugar cubes and poses questions about the molecular changes when sugar dissolves in water and recrystallizes upon boiling.
  • Another participant explains that sucrose molecules have hydroxyl groups that interact with water through hydrogen bonding, leading to solvation where water molecules surround the sucrose molecules.
  • It is noted that boiling the water does not guarantee the formation of nicely shaped sugar crystals, as the process may lead to caramelization of sucrose at high temperatures.
  • A participant introduces the concept of solvation layers and discusses the interplay of intermolecular forces that determine solubility and crystallization.
  • One participant mentions that the resulting crystals may differ in phase from the original solid and could include cocrystallized solvent.
  • There are comments on the shape of sugar crystals, with one participant asserting that they are not cubic, and another humorously referencing a common assumption about shapes.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of sugar crystals and the specifics of the recrystallization process, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain. There is no consensus on the exact outcomes of the processes discussed.

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Some participants highlight the complexity of the dissolution and recrystallization processes, including the potential for caramelization and the influence of intermolecular forces, without resolving these nuances.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemistry, particularly in the areas of solubility, crystallization, and molecular interactions in solutions.

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What really happens when sugar is mixed with liquid water and then the solution is heated to the boiling point
What I know and please correct me: a macroscopic probe of raw sugar you can buy from the store can be modeled to be an almost perfect cube of a size of 0.7 up to 1 mm. Let's assume it was really pure, nothing else but a conglomerate of H12C22O11 molecules stacked one over another in layers with van de Waals (?) "forces" keeping them together in a macroscopic state at a temperature of let's say 20 degrees Celsius. Then I use 100 such tiny pieces to throw them in 20 deg water.

I stir the mixture and 20 seconds later, all these tiny cubes are gone, at least at the level of the human eye. What happened at molecular level, where did they go?

Then I take this sweet liquid and heat it until it boils. Surprise or not, the mini crystals seem to appear again. What happened at molecular level, is the original process really fully reversed? I don't have liquid water anymore, only recrystalized sugar, right?
 
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The process is described in Science Insights.
Each sucrose molecule possesses eight hydroxyl groups. These groups allow the sucrose molecule to develop multiple regions of partial positive and negative charge. When solid sucrose is introduced to water, the polar water molecules are strongly attracted to these charged regions through hydrogen bonding.

When sucrose is dissolved in water, I would expect each sucrose molecule to be surrounded by H20 molecules - almost like armor.

When the water is boiled away, don't expect tiny, nicely formed cubes of sugar. The best you can hope for are crystals that form much in the shape of the diminishing puddles that exists just before the last of the water evaporated.

There could be some destructive distillation. It is likely that many of the sucrose molecules will have separated into the glucose and fructose that makes up sucrose. The temperature at which sucrose caramelizes is 160C - so with care. that can be avoided. But fructose caramelizes at 110C, so if any of it is freed from the glucose, it is likely to break down further.

Here is a video describing the sugar refining process. Regular boiling it used until the sugar concentration is 60%. After that, it is further dried in large vacuum pans. Beyond that, the crystals are dried in a air-heated tumble dryer. It isn't clear what creates the crystal size, but just before the syrup is pan dried, an alcohol sugar mixer is added - presumably a form of seeding.
 
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To add to that: the process of surrounding dissolved molecules by solvent molecules is called solvation. Sometimes there are several solvation layers - they separate dissolved molecules from each other. When you remove the solvent sucrose molecules combine to build the crystal lattice again.

Basically it is an interplay between intermolecular forces - in a crystal sucrose molecules are "glued" to each other, in the solution they are surrounded by water (or some other solvent). Whether a substance is easily soluble depends on which of these forces dominate. More precisely they are part of a standard mix of thermodynamic effects: dissolution can be both endo- and exothermic (depending on how strong are intermolecular forces substance-substance, substance-solvent and solvent-solvent) and solution has a higher entropy, ΔH-TΔS.
 
You are describing recrystalization. The obtained crystals (if any) may have a different phase than the initial solid (crystal or not) and can also have a cocrystallized solvent.
 
Try to have a closer look at sugar crystals. They are anything but cubic!
 
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Try to have a closer look at sugar crystals. They are anything but cubic!
Yes, not an issue. You know the joke: "Let's assume the cow is/was spherical".
 

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