High Energy Photon/Curved Space Limit?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of high energy photons and their potential effects on the curvature of space. Participants explore whether there exists an energy threshold at which a photon could curve space sufficiently to orbit its own curvature, touching on theoretical implications and the need for experimental validation.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that high energy photons, due to their small wavelength, could theoretically curve space to a degree that allows them to orbit their own curvature.
  • Others argue that before considering such extreme scenarios, it is essential to demonstrate experimentally that a photon’s energy can indeed cause space to curve.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about unsupported ideas, suggesting that they should be discussed in a more informal context rather than in serious scientific discourse.
  • Another participant emphasizes that physics should prioritize consistency and supportability over imaginative speculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and appropriateness of speculative ideas in physics. While some enjoy exploring such concepts, others emphasize the need for rigorous proof and caution against unsupported claims.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a tension between creative exploration of theoretical ideas and the necessity for empirical validation in physics. There are unresolved questions regarding the feasibility of high energy photons curving space and the implications of such phenomena.

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High Energy Photon/Curved Space Limit??

Energy curves space.

The smaller the wavelength of a photon, the higher its energy.

With regards to a high energy photon,

Could there be an energy threshold for a photon at which its high energy could curve space to such an extent that the photon could be put orbiting the very space that its own high energy curved?
 
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Nasher said:
Energy curves space.

The smaller the wavelength of a photon, the higher its energy.

With regards to a high energy photon,

Could there be an energy threshold for a photon at which its high energy could curve space to such an extent that the photon could be put orbiting the very space that its own high energy curved?

Don't you think that, before we go to that extreme, that we must first show the "proof of principle" experiment that the energy from a photon can actually cause space to curve? Don't you want to crawl first before you actually run the sprints in the Olympics?

Zz.
 


Na, it is too much fun coming up with such ideas!
 


Nasher said:
Na, it is too much fun coming up with such ideas!

Not if it is unsupported and full of holes. Then it can only be done in the IR forum, not on here.

Zz.
 


physics should not be fun, it should be consistent and supportable. Otherwise you are just making a fairytale story (science fiction).
 

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