The Decreasing White Majority in the US

[Physicist5]

I don't believe an effort should be made to prevent Whites from going extinct because I consider Whites to be intellectually mediocre, very superstitious, and emotionally unbalanced. This is not meant to be an insult, rather, it is my honest assessment based on what I have studied on differential racial psychology. As such, I consider the coming extinction of Whites as upwards evolutionary process.

 

[BlackVision]

I don't believe an effort should be made to prevent Whites from going extinct because I consider Whites to be intellectually mediocre, very superstitious, and emotionally unbalanced. This is not meant to be an insult, rather, it is my honest assessment based on what I have studied on differential racial psychology. As such, I consider the coming extinction of Whites as upwards evolutionary process.

Now you see what Physicist5 just did? Let's say hypothetically in physicist's comment, he replaced the word "whites" with any other race. Be it black, be it asian, be it native american. What do you think would of happened? There would have been 50 posts in the same day denouncing him as a racist. But since it's a negative statement toward whites, it's considered ok. Modern society deems it acceptable to be racist. As long as it's against whites and only whites.

But to address your comment. The Caucasian race certainly have been the most superior in terms of advancement and technology. Certainly so in the past 400 years. With pretty much the remaining advancements coming out of Asia. That would be the honest assessment. The Caucasian race isn't going extinct so not sure where that came out of. But you would consider the extinction of the group that contributed the most in terms of technological advancements and civilizations as a "upwards evolutionary process"?

 

[Physicist5]

Now you see what Physicist5 just did? Let's say hypothetically in physicist's comment, he replaced the word "whites" with any other race. Be it black, be it asian, be it native american. What do you think would of happened? There would have been 50 posts in the same day denouncing him as a racist. But since it's a negative statement toward whites, it's considered ok. Modern society deems it acceptable to be racist. As long as it's against whites and only whites.

And why is this so? Is it because, as I have said, Whites are emotionally unbalanced and thus lack in survival instincts? It so, then why not let natural selection take its course and just let Whites go the way of the Dodo.

But to address your comment. The Caucasian race certainly have been the most superior in terms of advancement and technology. Certainly so in the past 400 years.

No. Rather, less than one percent of the White race invented everything, while the remaining 99% did absolutely nothing. Thus, it is completely statistically inaccurate to say Whites are superior, when in fact, only one percent of Whites are superior, while the rest are useless. Perhaps you should be pushing for the preservation and reproductive proliferation of only this one percent of Whites, and not the average Joe, who are only capable of drinking beer while yelling at the sports channel.

The Caucasian race isn't going extinct so not sure where that came out of.

There is below replacement birthrates for Whites everywhere except in America where Whites are growing, and not the higher quality Whites, but the White welfare class as well as religious fundamentalist Whites like the Mormans. High IQ rational Whites are decreasing in America though. So overall, not only is there a drop in the absolute White population globally, but there is dysgenics as well: http://www.eugenics.net/papers/lynnrev.html

But you would consider the extinction of the group that contributed the most in terms of technological advancements and civilizations as a "upwards evolutionary process"?

Again, Whites did nothing, except for that one percent. Hell, why even call that one percent "White?" They are so genetically unique that I see no reason to even call them Whites.

 

[Robert Zaleski]

I hope none of my tax dollars when toward your education, if so, that money has been pissed away. I think your problem has more to do with your own inadequacies, then those of the white man.

 

[Tasthius]

As I see it, white's are still by far the single largest population.

Yes, at least in America. A world census was done in 1995 by the U.N. Of course, such large studies must be done on approximations. Nevertheless, the U.N. estimates that non-Semetic white people (that is, people of Northern European stock a la "White people") comprise only about 8-10% of the world's population and is decling very fast. Like in ancient Rome, America, and most of Europe are not "America" or "Europe" anymore, but rather "New Turkey" or "New India" or "New Mexico."

White folks simply don't have children. And this dysgenic trend seems to follow a conspicuous pattern: the most intelligent whites seem to be the least likely to reproduce. I can think of numerous women I know in their mid thirties who are very attractive, hold advanced degrees, and are very successful (thus high IQ's) who have not had children and probably never will. This trend is very common, and has always been common throughout the civilized western world (see Rome and Hellenic Greece). The only difference now is that America and Europe and Australia don't have hordes of Vandals, Lombards, and Visigoths at the gates waiting to suceed the white power structure and carry on the culture. We have hordes alright, but they aren't white like in the past.

As Spengler said, you have the becoming and the become, the cultured and the civilized. Cilivilization is an inevitable result of culture -- Apollynian and Dionysian. Civilization is the last stop before decay, before death. We are civilized. The west is dying figuratively and literally.

Death to the overman, all hail the tan everyman.

Thus quote the master, nevermore.

 

[Monique]

..Whites..

What's up with capitilizing someone's skin color? There is no such thing as a white race.

 

[Tasthius]

don't believe an effort should be made to prevent Whites from going extinct because I consider Whites to be intellectually mediocre, very superstitious, and emotionally unbalanced. This is not meant to be an insult, rather, it is my honest assessment based on what I have studied on differential racial psychology. As such, I consider the coming extinction of Whites as upwards evolutionary process.

Hmm. Does Aristotle, Plato, Democritus, Sophocles, Anaximander, Virgil, Homer, Anselm, Descartes, Pascal, Newton, Leibniz, Locke, Hume, Berkeley, Mozart, Beethoven, Hegel, Kant, Nietzsche, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Oberth, Hawking ring a bell? Just to name a few. Intellectually mediocre? I assume its all relative, my dear Grossman.

very superstitious

I suppose we left out the Amerinds and Aboriginees in this rumination eh?

This is not meant to be an insult, rather, it is my honest assessment based on what I have studied on differential racial psychology.

What have you studied? That East Asians have a 3 point higher IQ on average than whites? This hardly compensates for the extraordinary discrepancy in caucasian and non-caucasian universal geniuses as noted above. Whites submerge any and every other race when it comes to creative genius. Not an opinion but an axiom.

 

[BlackVision]

What's up with capitilizing someone's skin color? There is no such thing as a white race.

Sure there is. And race is certainly far more than skin deep.

 

[BlackVision]

What have you studied? That East Asians have a 3 point higher IQ on average than whites? This hardly compensates for the extraordinary discrepancy in caucasian and non-caucasian universal geniuses as noted above. Whites submerge any and every other race when it comes to creative genius. Not an opinion but an axiom.

Now this comment is incorrect. How are you defining "universal genius" here. It seems you're picking off names from white history books. Study asian history a bit and you will run into quite a lot of names of "universal geniuses" Also keep in mind that the person with the highest adult IQ alive today is Korean.

You must also remember that for much of the Middle Ages, East Asians were AHEAD of Europeans in technology and development. Simply because whites pulled ahead 400 years ago does not mean they "submerge" every race.

China was considered the most advanced civilization for hundreds of years. It certainly took creative geniuses to build such an empire. They did invent paper, compass, gunpower, among other things. All the way up to about the 18th century, China was certainly up to par with Europe. Internal conflicts and problems lead to the collapse of the Chinese empire. Further problems in the 20th century after the rule of communism. Although at the moment they are moving out of poverty with an incredible 10% annual GDP growth rate. China is expected to be a superpower within 50 years. Possibly 25 years. Many analysts expect China to become more powerful than either the US or the European Union.

Korea was having their own problems of constant invasion of both China and Japan. That peninsula has been invaded about 10,000 times. When you're busy trying to constantly fight out invaders, I assure you playing the piano like Mozart is the last thing you're worried about.

And so Japan with the only real chance to develop did so. The advancements of technology of Japan today is certainly the envy of the rest of the world. When the words "technological country" is stated, the first country on most people's mind would be Japan.

Also you must remember that while Jews make up only 2% of the US population and 0.25% of the world population, they have won 25% of Nobel Prizes. 60% of Yale is Jewish. The odds of a person of Jewish descent is certainly about a 100 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than any another person of White descent. If anything Jews would "submerge" any other race and/or group in creative genius. That 15 IQ points higher than Caucasians does have weight.

But I'll try it your way. If "whites" submerge every other race in geniuses, why do whites score lower than both asians and jews on academic tests? Why do both asians and jews have higher rates of college degrees than whites? Why are whites significantly less likely to win a Nobel Prize than jews? Why have the mathematical abilities of asian countries been considered unrivaled compared to the Western World?

 

[Monique]

Sure there is. And race is certainly far more than skin deep.

The world is not black/white so no there aren't. Generalizations like this really do not describe reality. Rather than talking about 'whites', specify whether you're talking about someone living in a trailor park in South Dakota (random pick) or someone studying economics in Harvard. Or specify whether you're talking about an untouchable along the Ganges or an academic in the University of Bombay.

 

[shonagon53]

Hey, what's more, there's more genetic difference within human "races" than between them.

This is evidenced by the fact that White Western Europeans score far higher than White Americans not only on IQ tests, but also on life expectancy.

White Western Europeans on average live 3 years longer than White Americans (both sexes). WOW! That's amazing! This is such big fat proof that White Western European are so incredibly WOW biologically superior to White Americans!

Wow help the sky is falling, White Americans are a dying race!

 

[Physicist5]

I repeat that only less than one percent of Whites were the great geniuses that White Nationalists use as examples to "prove" that ALL whites are great. I meet average white people everyday and they are not intelligent, not rational, not creative, they are just intellectually mediocre "mindless" sheep, who in my opinion have no reason to be alive. perhaps we can take all the one percent of white geniuses and then clone them millions of times over or something similar.

 

[Physicist5]

Hey, what's more, there's more genetic difference within human "races" than between them.

There is more genetic difference within a wolf and within a terrier than between a wolf and terrior, does that mean you will bring home a wolf to you kids? No, because you know that there are still meaningful differences between the behaviors of wolves and terriers. Same with races.

 

[shonagon53]

There is more genetic difference within a wolf and within a terrier than between a wolf and terrior, does that mean you will bring home a wolf to you kids? No, because you know that there are still meaningful differences between the behaviors of wolves and terriers. Same with races.

Dude, really, get a grip! You haven't understood a thing. Your comparison is completely flawed. Get a 101 in something, in ANYTHING!

The point (and the fact is) that there is more genetic variance within say a group of "white" people ("within a group of wolves" - NOT within one wolve, hihi), than between say the whites of the group of whites and the blacks of a group of blacks ("than between wolves and terriers" - but that doesn't make sense since the difference between say black people and white people is far far smaller than that between wolves and terriers).

Do you understand?

No you don't.

That's what makes you a mediocre Unterhuman.


So yes, I would take any Papuan over an underaverage whitey like you. Chances are that the Papuan has more genetic similarity with the average white (which you are not), than you have, since you obviously belong to the lesser intelligent layer of humanity.

 

[Monique]

Shonagon53, we are here to discuss with arguments and not to play a childish game of provocation. I know it can get heated, but there's a time to cool down.

 

[shonagon53]

Shonagon53, we are here to discuss with arguments and not to play a childish game of provocation. I know it can get heated, but there's a time to cool down.

Well, Monique, I have a natural aversion against sheer stupidity, although I'm having loads of fun. Anyway, I will cool it. I think I've made my point.

 

[Monique]

I think you did thanks

 

[plus]

I don't believe an effort should be made to prevent Whites from going extinct because I consider Whites to be intellectually mediocre, very superstitious, and emotionally unbalanced.

And this is against which standard race you are basing this on?
Intellectually mediocre does not stand in my opinion. Sure there are some stupid people, but this is just a result of the high standard deviation in IQ amongst the white race, meaning that there are many bright people.
I am not sure where the superstition comes from, considering that the whites are nowhere the most religiously obsessed people in the world, with the blacks/ american indians/ aborigines believing in the rain god and witch doctors, and the orientals having buddhism, and the indians worshipping multiple gods etc.
Why do you think that whites are emotionally unbalanced? Maybe this is because you see that the orientals do not show their emotions as much as whites. But this is to do with culture.

As to the extinction of the white race:- There should be some large effort to stop this happening. However, the same result will be facing both the orientals and the jews. The number of jews in the world is decreasing faster than any other religion, and religion is the only reasong why jews marry jews.
When china becomes a rich superpower, there will be lots of immigrants wanting to immigrate into china, and it will be too difficult to watch those huge borders. Those little thin submissive oriental girls will not be able to stop themselves falling at the feet of the macho negro immigrants.

 

[Physicist5]

Some genes have higher frequencies within a race than between them. Blacks on average produce more melanin than Whites, this is genetic. Blacks have a higher case of Sickle Cell anemia, Jews have more Tay Sachs disease, both which are genetic. Asians are shorter. Same with intelligence and behavior, races differ in these as well.

It is common knowledge that different races (breeds) of dogs have different intelligence levels and temperaments/personality. Only when discussing human breeds does the whole subjective ideology of "racism" come into play.

 

[BlackVision]

When china becomes a rich superpower, there will be lots of immigrants wanting to immigrate into china, and it will be too difficult to watch those huge borders. Those little thin submissive oriental girls will not be able to stop themselves falling at the feet of the macho negro immigrants.

If you were any bit familiar with asian history, you would know that asians have always had closed door policies when it comes to immigration. China, Korea, and Japan have all been hermit countries in their history.

Japan is certainly a very rich country. Nonetheless, Japan is still 99% Japanese. Hong Kong is certainly 1st world in living standards. Still nonetheless it is 98% Chinese. South Korea, certainly a very prosperous country in the Asian continent is very close to 100% Korean. Now the reasons why these asian countries are so homogeneous is not because there isn't a high immigration demand because believe me most Southeast asians would kill to be in any of these countries, it's because Asians by far of any race, believe in the purity of their race and the preservation of their culture. It's so extreme, to the point that even Koreans will face extreme prejudice in Japan, and Chinese will face extreme prejudice in Korea, etc. So extreme that it's extremely taboo for even Koreans and Japanese to marry and mix.

You will never see Korea, China, or Japan ever even be 5% non national no matter how propersous these countries become and how much immigration demand there is. The people of these countries will not allow immigration. The view toward immigration in Asian countries is VERY different than the perspective that Europeans and America have of immigration. Asian countries view immigration like it's a virus.

 

[Monique]

Some genes have higher frequencies within a race than between them. Blacks on average produce more melanin than Whites, this is genetic. Blacks have a higher case of Sickle Cell anemia, Jews have more Tay Sachs disease, both which are genetic. Asians are shorter. Same with intelligence and behavior, races differ in these as well.

Are finns a racial group? Are eskimos a racial group? Are mormons? Blacks and whites don't exist, it is too symplistic. Sure, population histories determine gene frequencies and population genetics. I am very aware of that since I attended a week long conference on the subject. The point being, that in between all these population groups the differences can be large and you need to take those into account rather than making huge generalizations.

Blacks don't have a higher incidence of sickle cell anemia, people who live in malaria-infested regions will. Asians are not shorter, people with a diet lacking enough nutrients do.

 

[BlackVision]

Blacks don't have a higher incidence of sickle cell anemia, people who live in malaria-infested regions will.

Non-blacks getting sickle cell would be less than 1%.

Asians are not shorter, people with a diet lacking enough nutrients do.

Not true. Asians are shorter in height no matter what the diet. I would not say Japan has any nutritional or diet problems yet the average Japanese person is shorter than average heights of African countries which many do have nutritional problems.

The main reason why Whites and Asians are shorter than Blacks is probably due to the fact that their ancestry is in much colder environments where food was more scarce and harder to come across. Smaller size also means less food intake would be needed in ordered to maintain survival and would have been a survival advantage.

 

[Monique]

Would that than be genetic though or environmental? Have you ever seen American born asians? They are two heads larger than their parents. I agree, if you look at inuits they are short and round, if you look at africans (not blacks) they are tall and lean in the areas not westernized. I'm not sure though what would happen if you ask african parents to conceive of a child on the north pole and inuit parents to conceive of a child in africa.

 

[plus]

If you were any bit familiar with asian history, you would know that asians have always had closed door policies when it comes to immigration. China, Korea, and Japan have all been hermit countries in their history.

Japan is certainly a very rich country. Nonetheless, Japan is still 99% Japanese. Hong Kong is certainly 1st world in living standards. Still nonetheless it is 98% Chinese. South Korea, certainly a very prosperous country in the Asian continent is very close to 100% Korean. Now the reasons why these asian countries are so homogeneous is not because there isn't a high immigration demand because believe me most Southeast asians would kill to be in any of these countries, it's because Asians by far of any race, believe in the purity of their race and the preservation of their culture. It's so extreme, to the point that even Koreans will face extreme prejudice in Japan, and Chinese will face extreme prejudice in Korea, etc. So extreme that it's extremely taboo for even Koreans and Japanese to marry and mix.

You will never see Korea, China, or Japan ever even be 5% non national no matter how propersous these countries become and how much immigration demand there is. The people of these countries will not allow immigration. The view toward immigration in Asian countries is VERY different than the perspective that Europeans and America have of immigration. Asian countries view immigration like it's a virus.

Well China is perhaps not the best example, given that the 93% of the population Han Chinese are generally restricted to the 1 child rule, whereas the ethnic minorities such as the tibetans are allowed 3 children. If the japanese are so conscious about preserving their race, why are the Japanese girls when they move to USA or Canada very likely to marry outside of their racial group? All it will take will be a momentary drop of policy and it will be all over for orientals. Maybe immigration will not occur as quickly as in USA and Europe, but it will occur. Especially with the internet and TV. With the rapidly aging population, they will be more than tempted to give work visas to other non nationals.

 

[plus]

Blacks don't have a higher incidence of sickle cell anemia,

Tell this to all of the people suffering from this disease and they will be disgusted.

 

[BlackVision]

Would that than be genetic though or environmental?

I believe we can all agree that height has both genetic and environment links. A decent amount of both. However, even after weighing for any environmental differences, you should still find Africans with the highest average height and Asians with the lowest average height.

I'm not sure though what would happen if you ask african parents to conceive of a child on the north pole and inuit parents to conceive of a child in africa.

Is this in response to ancestry in colder environments? If so, evolution takes quite longer than 1 generation for a decent amount of a genetic pool to get altered.

 

[Monique]

Blacks don't have a higher incidence of sickle cell anemia,

Tell this to all of the people suffering from this disease and they will be disgusted.

You took away half of my sentence

Tell me, where do these blacks live suffering from sickle cell anemia. Then tell me which regions of the world suffer from the malaria carrying mosquito. Overlay these two maps and then tell me what you see.

 

[Monique]

I believe we can all agree that height has both genetic and environment links. A decent amount of both. However, even after weighing for any environmental differences, you should still find Africans with the highest average height and Asians with the lowest average height.


Is this in response to ancestry in colder environments? If so, evolution takes quite longer than 1 generation for a decent amount of a genetic pool to get altered.

Isn't it funny though that the Dutch are the tallest of the world? It is funny though too the growth occurred after WOII.

 

[BlackVision]

Isn't it funny though that the Dutch are the tallest of the world? It is funny though too the growth occurred after WOII.

Source?

Of all the studies I've seen, the heights of African, Caucasian, Asian seems very consistent in that order.

 

[Monique]

http://www.acs.ohio-state.edu/units/research/archive/taller.htm

In studies by various researchers of men born about 1950, the Norwegians and Dutch are the tallest in the world, with an average height of 178 centimeters(about 5 feet 10 inches), followed by Swedes at 177 centimeters. Americans are next at 175 centimeters (about 5 feet 9 inches).

Preliminary government research suggests that not much has changed recently, according to Steckel. "The average height of Americans has been pretty much stagnant for 25 years," he said.

But American men born in 1850 were tallest in the world, averaging 171 centimeters, compared to 169 centimeters for Norwegians, 168 for Swedes and 164 for the Dutch.

"I think the countries that have surpassed the United States have done well in reaching nearly everyone with complete health and nutrition services," said Steckel. "The success of the Scandinavian countries in health care shows up in many measures, not just height, such as mortality rates and life expectancy."

Immigration to the United States by people with shorter average heights -- such as Asians -- can't explain why other countries have moved ahead in average stature, according to Steckel. "In the past half century, the change in ethnic composition hasn't been enough to make a significant difference in the country's average height."

And while genes play an important role in determining how tall individual people grow, that doesn't negate the results of this international research. "Overall, genetic differences cancel each other out when you compare averages across most populations. So, in general, average height is accurate in assessing a nation's health status," Steckel said.