The Decreasing White Majority in the US

[selfAdjoint]

She's talking about the females having lighter skin, and comparing Renaissance paintings (e.g. Mars and Venus, he tan she pale) with Indian caste traditions. This goes back to ancient Egypt where there are murals of Pharaoh (tan) and his queen (pale), but that goes more to the ancient seclusion of women, since obviously Pharaoh didn't work in the fields. He just got out of the house, while she didn't.

 

[Monique]

I didn't phrase myself right because it doesn't. It could have carried through from the Renaissance into slavery, where the Indian caste system would be an early example how Aryan people defined social status on skin tone in N. India.

 

[plus]

You really do not understand population genetics.

Being a little less ignorent would help analytical discussions. Thirty percent of Amsterdam is allochtonous, if I want to find out something about the autochtonous Dutch I sure wouldn't sample from that 30%.

I would appreciate not being called ignorant.

From my experience with Amsterdam, the figure is much higher than 30%. Also, what is the prediction for the future of Amsterdam?
Is there any truth in this statement

By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.

taken from:
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100...adline=-Welsh-star-in-race-row-name_page.html

 

[Monique]

I would appreciate not being called ignorant.

That's fine, I made my point in that post.

From my experience with Amsterdam, the figure is much higher than 30%.

That entirely depends where in Amsterdam you look. Certain suburbs the number will be close to 80% and in others close to 10%. If you can read it: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/10017521/Veel_stadswijken_voor_90_procent_allochtoon.html It is true that if you look at the young population in these cities, 50% will be of foreign decent.

Also, what is the prediction for the future of Amsterdam?
Is there any truth in this statement

By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.

taken from:
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100...adline=-Welsh-star-in-race-row-name_page.html

Only major cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague show such high immigrant numbers. The government has now implemented rules which shun immigrants away from Rotterdam and try to relocate them to the smaller cities and villages to help integration. I don't see how a population of 16 million of which 9% (1.44 million) are non-western in 15 years can change to a population where 50% is of non-western descent. All the couples would have to have at least one child every year for those 15 years to reach such numbers (do the math).

In this case integration is the problem that should be dealt with.. I'm not sure if the same holds true for the US.

 

[plus]

That's fine, I made my point in that post.
I don't see how a population of 16 million of which 9% (1.44 million) are non-western in 15 years can change to a population where 50% is of non-western descent. All the couples would have to have at least one child every year for those 15 years to reach such numbers (do the math).

In this case integration is the problem that should be dealt with.. I'm not sure if the same holds true for the US.

If 9% are of foreign descent, then on average (assume that there are twice as many in the reproductive age group (over the years))) there will be approximately 20% in the age group 20-35. If the average moroccan woman has e.g. 3.5 children, and the average white woman has 1.5 children (and assume this holds across all immigrant groups, which of course it will not) , then the ratio of children with white mothers to children with non white mothers will be 12:7. However, this does not include the many mixed race children (most of whom with white mothers and non white fathers).

In conclusion, I think the statement from my website link must be false if only 9% are of foreign descent.

That was an interesting page, although there were many words which I could not understand.

 

[Monique]

Small correction: 17% of NL is foreign, of which 9% is non-western (Turks, Moroccans, Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesians).

That article is from a major dutch newspaper that quoted data from the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) on the topic. You could try babelfish for a translation, but I don't think it would do a very good job :)

 

[selfAdjoint]

Is that 9% a percentage of the foreign,or of the whole population?

 

[Monique]

Ah, you've got me..

On the CIA website it says "Dutch 83%, other 17% (of which 9% are non-Western origin mainly Turks, Moroccans, Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesians) (1999 est.)"


It can't be 9% of 17%, that would be 1.5% of the whole population: only 250,000. Thus 9% of the whole population.

 

[selfAdjoint]

So more than half of the "other" are non-western, meaning from those examples, not european descended.

One person in 6 is not Dutch, and 1 person in 11 is not European descended.

 

[Nereid]

But how many of the 'Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesian' immigrants are decendants of roaming/roving Spaniards/Dutch/etc (even if it's only one ancestor among 100)?

 

[Andre]

Indeed, it's a big melting pot and many autochtones have variable ethnic ancestors That's good for genes diversity and a healthy population.

Is this why the average Dutch persons grows far too tall? F1 hybrids?

 

[plus]

Small correction: 17% of NL is foreign, of which 9% is non-western (Turks, Moroccans, Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesians).

That article is from a major dutch newspaper that quoted data from the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) on the topic. You could try babelfish for a translation, but I don't think it would do a very good job :)

Are you sure this is 91% white rather than 83%with dutch nationality, 9% other western nationality and 9% born abroad? If so, then there will be some of the 83% non white.

 

[Monique]

The numbers are on ethnic groups, I assume they sent out questionairres asking for ethnicity. The 83% dutch mustn't include colonial immigrants ('cause they are grouped among the antilleans, surinamese and indonesians).

 

[BlackVision]

That's good for genes diversity and a healthy population.

The IQ surplus of Ashkenazi Jews seem directly linked to their closely monitored and homogeneous breeding.