Whether light has mass? if yes what is the reason behind it?

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The discussion centers around whether light, specifically photons, has mass. Participants explore the implications of mass in relation to the behavior of light, including its speed and momentum, and reference various physical theories and phenomena such as the photoelectric effect.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons have no rest mass but may possess relativistic mass and momentum.
  • Others argue that if photons had mass, they could not travel at the speed of light, as it would require infinite energy to accelerate them.
  • One participant claims that photons are massless bosons and questions the applicability of momentum to them, suggesting that they can only have magnitude.
  • Another participant states that light can impart momentum to objects, implying that photons must have non-zero momentum to comply with the conservation of momentum.
  • Some contributions reference quantum field theory (QFT) to explain that massless particles like photons exist with a specific momentum relationship.
  • Participants discuss the photoelectric effect, with some suggesting that light acts as an impulse, which they associate with mass, while others clarify that momentum for massless particles relates to energy rather than mass.
  • There is confusion among participants regarding the distinction between magnitude and momentum in the context of light and electromagnetic waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the nature of light's mass and momentum, with multiple competing views presented. Some assert that light has no mass, while others propose that it has momentum related to its energy. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of terms such as magnitude and momentum, and how they apply to light and electromagnetic waves. There are also references to classical electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that highlight the complexity of the topic.

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whether light has mass?if yes what is the reason behind it?
 
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Light (photons) has no rest mass. But it has relativistic mass and momentum.
More details for questions can be seen in this link.
http://crib.corepower.com:8080/~relfaq/light_mass.html
 
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To my knowledge, a photon does not have mass. If it had mass it could not travel at the speed of light. This is because it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate it to that velocity. And if a massive object traveled at the speed of light it would have an infinite amount of mass.
 


"Light (photons) has no rest mass. But it has relativistic mass and momentum.
More details for questions can be seen in this link.
http://crib.corepower.com:8080/~relfaq/light_mass.html"

This paper is wrong, photons are massles bosons and momentum cannot be applied nor can be describe as having momentum. You could say they have magnitude but not momentum.
 
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Light can be used to cause objects to move. In other words, they impart momentum to objects. Thus, if we are to believe the law of conservation of momentum, we have to assume that the initial momentum of the photon was non-zero.
 


Particles in QFT are irreducible representations of the proper orthocronous Lorentz group. The momentum p^{\mu} is the generator of space-time translations. Proper orthocronous Lorents transformations leave invariant the square p^{2}=p^{\mu}p_{\mu} and the sign of energy p^{0}. Only representations with p^{2}\geq 0 exist in Nature (as far as I know). The ones with p^{2}=m^{2}>0 are massive particles, the ones with p^{2}=0 are massless particles, like photons. For theese, p^{\mu}=(\hbar\omega,\hbar\mathbf{k}), and the relation p^{2}=0 implies \omega=|\mathbf{k}|, that is, photons travel at the speed of light c (=1 in my units). Things that go at c cannot have mass.
 


light is wave ,it has no mass
 


shuidi said:
light is wave ,it has no mass

The electron is also a wave, and it has mass.
 


threadmark said:
"Light (photons) has no rest mass. But it has relativistic mass and momentum.
More details for questions can be seen in this link.
http://crib.corepower.com:8080/~relfaq/light_mass.html"

This paper is wrong, photons are massles bosons and momentum cannot be applied nor can be describe as having momentum. You could say they have magnitude but not momentum.

Why photons can not be described as having momentum?
 
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filegraphy said:
To my knowledge, a photon does not have mass. If it had mass it could not travel at the speed of light. This is because it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate it to that velocity. And if a massive object traveled at the speed of light it would have an infinite amount of mass.

but what would you like to say about the photoelectric effect?Light there acts as an impulse...i suppose impulse is created by only those bodies with mass
 
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vidyanaik said:
but what would you like to say about the photoelectric effect?Light there acts as an impulse...i suppose impulse is created by only those bodies with mass

Light is energy, and as E=mc2 says, energy and mass each carry a "punch"

Also, light has no mass, but does have momentum. Momentum for zero-mass particles relates to their energy, not mass. Energy of a massless particle equals Planck's constant x frequency.
Momentum of a massless particle equals that same (Planck,s constant x frequency) divided by speed of light.
p=(hf)/c
 
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Light has no rest mass, but it does have energy. I'm not sure whether that energy is in the form of magnitude, or momentum, or whatever. Whats the difference in magnitude and momentum in this context anyways?
 
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In classical electrodynamics light carries momentum and energy. You can't really talk about photons because the theory produces waves however it is still a field theory and relevant to QM.

In this sense, light has no rest mass, waves don't have a mass in classical electrodynamics, however light can carry energy and momentum. As a result of light waves carrying momentum we get radiation pressure. Radiation pressure is something that can physically be measured supports momentum carried by light.

Drakkith said:
Whats the difference in magnitude and momentum in this context anyways?

It's very important. Which way is the momentum "flowing"? The direction is actually given by a tensor, horribly named the Maxwell stress tensor.
 
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Feldoh said:
It's very important. Which way is the momentum "flowing"? The direction is actually given by a tensor, horribly named the Maxwell stress tensor.

I'm not sure i understand what your saying. Is the momentum of the wave the amount of energy it carries? Is the magnitude the direction?
 
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Drakkith said:
I'm not sure i understand what your saying. Is the momentum of the wave the amount of energy it carries? Is the magnitude the direction?

The energy an EM wave carries is Planck's constant x the wave's frequency E=hf

So yes, the momentum derives from the energy of the wave. Momentum p =(hf)/c
or momentum = wave's energy divided by light speed.

I am no scientist, but do love physics. All I could find of magnitude is that it is a scalar value (or so I understood it).
 
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So when you say, is the magnitude the direction, I think (?) an EM wave exists in all directions until it interacts. If so, I don't know if "direction" applies here?
 
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Magnitude and direction are the two quantities that define a vector. So no, the magnitude is NOT the direction.
 

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