Why does chlorate seem to break the pattern of polyatomic ions?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of chlorate (ClO3-) in relation to the patterns observed in polyatomic ions, particularly those in the third row of the periodic table. Participants explore the naming conventions and oxidation states associated with these ions, as well as the presence of exceptions to the general trends.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a perceived pattern among polyatomic ions in the third row of the periodic table, where ions like silicate, phosphate, and sulfate have four oxygens and increasing charges.
  • Another participant points out that chlorate does not fit this pattern due to having only three oxygens and a chlorine oxidation state of +5, while suggesting that the existence of perchlorate (ClO4-) maintains the overall pattern.
  • A participant questions the naming convention of chlorate compared to other polyatomic ions, seeking clarity on why ClO3- is named chlorate instead of following the pattern of having four oxygens for "ate" names.
  • It is mentioned that the most common oxyanion for an element typically ends in "ate," and that there are exceptions to the trends observed in the periodic table.
  • Examples of other polyatomic ions with three oxygens that end in "ate" are provided, such as nitrate and bromate, indicating that exceptions exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether chlorate breaks the observed pattern of polyatomic ions, with some arguing that the existence of perchlorate supports the pattern while others highlight the exceptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the rationale behind the naming conventions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while trends can be observed in the periodic table, there are notable exceptions, particularly in the naming and structure of polyatomic ions.

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Hi, I was reviewing the polyatomic ions, and on the third row of the periodic table they seemed to follow a pattern going from left to right on the periodic table. For example:
Silicate = SiO44-; phosphate = PO43-; sulfate = SO42-

For row 3 on the periodic table, it looks like each polyatomic has 4 oxygens, the charge increases by one as one moves to the right along the periodic table, and I think the oxidation numbers of the non-oxygen elements goes +4, +5, +6, respectively. However, chlorate is ClO3-, which seems to break the pattern, since it has only 3 oxygens instead of 4, and the oxidation number on chlorine of +5, instead of +7.

Is there any reason chlorate seems to "break" the pattern of the polyatomic ions so far, and any reason why for naming purposes, ClO3- is chlorate, instead of chlorite (like PO33- is phosphite, for example)?

Thanks!
 
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Well actually there is a Perchlorate ion that is ClO4 that has a negative 1 charge so the pattern isn't broken. Chlorine is just very flexible in a sense because it can have anywhere between 1-4 oxygen atoms and still have a minus 1 charge.
ClO is Hypochlorite
ClO2 is Chlorite
ClO3 is Chlorate
ClO4 is Perchlorate
The naming has to do with the other form of the polyatomic ion can be.
 
So is ClO4- called perchlorate simply because there is no ClO5-? I understand how perchlorate would be named relative to chlorate, and so on, but I'm trying to figure out why the naming for the other polyatomic ions I mentioned had 4 oxygens for the "ate" names. But for chlorate, the form with 3 oxygens carries the "ate" name. Thanks again for the help!
 
In general, the most common oxyanion for an element will end in ate. You will find many trends in the periodic table, but you will also find many exceptions.

Some examples I can think of for ate's that have 3 oxygens are nitrate, bromate, iodate, carbonate (although that has a minus 2 charge)

And I don't think there is an element that has 5 different oxyanions.
 

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