Is It Natural for the World to Have Zero Angular Momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular momentum in relation to planetary motion, specifically questioning whether it is natural for the world to have zero angular momentum. Participants explore various aspects of planetary spin, orbital mechanics, and the implications of angular momentum conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Earth's spin is influenced by centrifugal force and gravitational pull from the Sun, with one questioning if the Earth's spin speed varies during its elliptical orbit.
  • Others argue that the conservation of angular momentum explains the Earth's axial spin, citing the role of dust collisions during planetary formation.
  • A participant notes that it would be unlikely for a primordial dust cloud to have zero angular momentum, implying that rotation was inherent from the solar system's formation.
  • There is speculation about the existence of planetary systems where planets have varying orbital planes, with some suggesting that planets ejected from their original systems could exhibit such behavior.
  • Humorous interjections about love and its relation to the Earth's spin are made, but they do not contribute to the technical discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of angular momentum in planetary systems. While some agree on the role of conservation of angular momentum, others raise questions about the implications of having zero angular momentum, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about planetary formation and dynamics, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or elaborated upon, leaving some aspects of the discussion open to interpretation.

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Readers interested in astrophysics, planetary science, and the dynamics of celestial bodies may find this discussion relevant.

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What makes the world spin?
 
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Hello, mrblint.

Why won't you tell us what do you think it is, so we know where to start explaining?
 
I think that as the world travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, there is a force pulling away from the sun (the centrifugal force) and also the sun is also pulling the mass of the Earth towards itself (the sun being the more massive body). As the Earth moves in the elliptical orbit, the slightly changing orientation of the pull results in spin of the planet on its axis. That's what comes to mind just thinking about it. But I'm wondering now if the Earth spins at different speeds as it moves through the elliptical orbit.
 
Yes. The speed increases as Earth gets closer to the Sun. The orbit is only very slightly elliptical though so it's not a big change.
 
The reason the world spins on its axis has to do with the conservation of angular momentum.

As the dust gathered that formed our planet the dust collisions imparted inertia. As the diameter decreased the angular momentum increases much like a spinning figure skater.
Nearby large gravitational bodies can affect the spin in a fashion called "tidally locked"
 
Mordred said:
The reason the world spins on its axis has to do with the conservation of angular momentum.

As the dust gathered that formed our planet the dust collisions imparted inertia. As the diameter decreased the angular momentum increases much like a spinning figure skater.
Nearby large gravitational bodies can affect the spin in a fashion called "tidally locked"

Correct. May I add that it would be extremely unlikely to have a huge primordial dust cloud with a very small or zero angular momentum. So the rotation of the entire solar system was pretty much there since it formed. Otherwise one would expect the whole thing collapses in one blob point without rotation. As far as I know, all planets move in the same direction in the disc around the sun and the sun itself rotates in that direction. There are, as far as I know, only a few captured moons for the big planets that rotate in other ways, and there is just one "misbehaved" planet, Uranus, where the axis of rotation is almost parallel to the planetary disk. (Well, Uranus also got a weird name, at least in English ;-).

I still wonder though if there are any planetary systems out there where all this isn't the case, and where the planets are not just in one disk but varying planes of their orbits - and then why that could be?
 
rewtnode said:
I still wonder though if there are any planetary systems out there where all this isn't the case, and where the planets are not just in one disk but varying planes of their orbits - and then why that could be?

Planets that have been thrown out of their original systems and hurtle through space and end up in other systems could be such cases. Among the gazilions of stars there surely must be numerous examples of such planets.
 
I thought love made the world go around!
 
HallsofIvy said:
I thought love made the world go around!

if its any consolation it will still make your head spin lol
 
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Roflmao now there is a correlation I never would have thought of lol
 
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rewtnode said:
I still wonder though if there are any planetary systems out there where all this isn't the case, and where the planets are not just in one disk but varying planes of their orbits - and then why that could be?

Could be, but it probably wouldn't last long. The mutual interactions between the planets in all of those strange orbits would tend to either kick some of them out of the system or settle them into one plane.
 
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mrblint said:
What makes the world spin?
Would you really consider it "natural" if the world happened to have exactly 0 angular momentum?
 

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