Solving the Rotational Angle of a Strangely-Shaped Slab

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The problem involves a thin slab of uniform density, shaped by the curves y=4-x^2 and x=0, which is free to rotate about the y-axis when a force is applied. Participants are tasked with determining the angle of rotation after a specified time under the influence of this force.

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  • Participants discuss calculating the moment of inertia using integration, questioning the relationship between mass and radius, and the appropriate limits for integration. There are inquiries about applying angular acceleration formulas and the necessity of finding the area of the object.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants suggesting the need to calculate the moment of inertia through integration of mass elements. Others are seeking clarification on the integration process and the implications of their professor's feedback regarding the area of the object.

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Participants are navigating constraints related to the shape of the slab and the need for proper limits in their integrals. There is a mention of differing methods suggested by the professor, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup.

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A thin slab of material of uniform density with a total mass 3.0 kg is cut in a strange shape: It is bounded by the curves y=4-x^2 and x=0. Initially it is lying in the xy plane. It is free to rotate about the y axi. A force of 8.0 Newtons is constantly applied perpendicular to the slab at the outer bottom corner. What angle (In radians) has it rotated through after 20 seconds?

Please help me get started with this problem.
 
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The main thing you will want to do is to determine the moment of inertia from the function given. To do this you will have to do an integral of r^2dm. Then simply use M = I[tex]\alpha[/tex] to determine the angular acceleration.
 
The integral of r^2 dm is 1/3r^3. Buthow did you know to integrate r^2 dm?
 
mopar969 said:
The integral of r^2 dm is 1/3r^3.

That is the integral of r^2 dr... you need to find a relationship between m & r so you can put dm in terms of dr...

The reason you do that integral is because that is the definition of the moment of inertia. And since you don't have a nice common shape like a rod, circle, etc. you must integrate.
 
Now what do I do to solve the problem. Also what are my limits when I integrated?
 
How do I apply the M=I to the alpha to this problem. Also, how do I figure in the time?
 
My professor states that this method is incorrect and that I need to find the area of the object to solve the problem. Please help asap.
 
mopar969 said:
My professor states that this method is incorrect and that I need to find the area of the object to solve the problem. Please help asap.

kjohnson :smile: is correct …

you need ∫ r2dm (= density times ∫∫ x2dxdy), not ∫ r2dr

please show us your calculation for ∫ r2dm

(if you don't understand how to calculate a https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=31" you'd better say so now :wink:)
 
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Thank you for clearing that up. Here is what I have done so far:
dm=(M/A)(dx)(dy)
So, I=integral of (R^2)(M/A)(dx)(dy)

But now how do I integrate that and what are my limits.
 
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mopar969 said:
Thank you for clearing that up. Here is what I have done so far:
dm=(M/A)(dx)(dy)
So, I=integral of (R^2)(M/A)(dx)(dy)

But now how do I integrate that and what are my limits.

your limits are the area given in the question …

get on with it!​
 
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So my limits are from 0 to 2. But How do I finish the rest of the problem?
 
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Thank you tiny-tim for helping clear some of that up for him..

Once you have properly calculated the moment of inertia as stated above the next step is to solve for alpha. This is done by summing your moments and setting that equal to moment of inertia multiplied by alpha M=I [tex]\alpha[/tex]. Since you only have one force you only have one moment, then simply solve for alpha.

Once you have alpha its simply a constant angular acceleration problem where you know the acceleration and time.
 

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