Lambert W function with rational polynomial

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation \(\exp(ax+b)=\frac{cx+d}{ex+f}\), with a focus on the application of the Lambert W function and related generalized Lambert functions. Participants explore various approaches and substitutions to manipulate the equation, as well as share similar problems and resources.

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  • One participant presents the equation and seeks methods for solving it.
  • Another participant suggests solving for \(x\) instead of \(f\) but does not provide detailed steps.
  • A participant proposes a substitution \(u=\frac{cx+d}{ex+f}\) and derives a series of transformations leading to an expression involving the Lambert W function.
  • There is a claim that a calculation related to the substitution may be incorrect, indicating uncertainty in the derived expressions.
  • Another participant shares a similar problem involving \(\exp(2x)=(x+y)/(x-y)\) and references generalized Lambert functions as a potential resource.
  • Links to external resources, including papers and notes on generalized Lambert functions, are provided by participants for further exploration.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of certain calculations and approaches. There is no consensus on the best method to solve the original equation, and multiple competing views remain regarding the application of the Lambert W function and related techniques.

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Some participants note the lack of detailed steps in their solutions, and there are unresolved mathematical transformations that depend on specific assumptions about the variables involved.

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Hi all,

During my research i ran into the following general type of equation: \exp(ax+b)=\frac{cx+d}{ex+f}
does anyone have an idea how to go about solving this equation?

thx in advance
 
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It doesn't show the steps but I got this from Wolfram
 

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Ledsnyder said:
It doesn't show the steps but I got this from Wolfram

I think the idea is to solve for ##x## instead of ##f##.
 
Let u= \frac{cx+ d}{ex+ f}, the fraction on the right. Then, solving for x, x= \frac{d- fu}{eu- c}= -\frac{f}{e}u+ \frac{fc}{e}.

So the equation is, so far,
e^{ax+ b}= e^{-\frac{af}{e}u+ \frac{afc}{e}+ b}= u
e^{-\frac{af}{e}u}e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}= u
ue^{\frac{af}{e}u}= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}

Let v= \frac{af}{e}u. Then u= \frac{e}{af}v and we have
\frac{e}{af}ve^v= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}
ve^v= \frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

v= W(\frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

Now work back through the substitutions to find x.
 
HallsofIvy said:
x= \frac{d- fu}{eu- c}= -\frac{f}{e}u+ \frac{fc}{e}
.

I think this calculation is wrong.
 
I have a similar problem exp(2 x)= (x+y)/(x-y) and solve for x
Generalized Lambert functions, discussed at Lambert W on wikipedia or various papers on arXiv might help, e.g.
arXiv:1408.3999v1.pdf

My notes are currently at
http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~keady/Seiches/rLambert/lambertWWave.pdf
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Let u= \frac{cx+ d}{ex+ f}, the fraction on the right. Then, solving for x, x= \frac{d- fu}{eu- c}= -\frac{f}{e}u+ \frac{fc}{e}.

So the equation is, so far,
e^{ax+ b}= e^{-\frac{af}{e}u+ \frac{afc}{e}+ b}= u
e^{-\frac{af}{e}u}e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}= u
ue^{\frac{af}{e}u}= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}

Let v= \frac{af}{e}u. Then u= \frac{e}{af}v and we have
\frac{e}{af}ve^v= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}
ve^v= \frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

v= W(\frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

Now work back through the substitutions to find x.
HallsofIvy said:
Let u= \frac{cx+ d}{ex+ f}, the fraction on the right. Then, solving for x, x= \frac{d- fu}{eu- c}= -\frac{f}{e}u+ \frac{fc}{e}.

So the equation is, so far,
e^{ax+ b}= e^{-\frac{af}{e}u+ \frac{afc}{e}+ b}= u
e^{-\frac{af}{e}u}e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}= u
ue^{\frac{af}{e}u}= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}

Let v= \frac{af}{e}u. Then u= \frac{e}{af}v and we have
\frac{e}{af}ve^v= e^{\frac{afc+ bd}{d}}
ve^v= \frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

v= W(\frac{af(af+ bd)}{de}

Now work back through the substitutions to find x.

May I suggest that HallsofIvy changes his name to Half-fly or Highdive, or something?
 
Keady said:
I have a similar problem exp(2 x)= (x+y)/(x-y) and solve for x
Generalized Lambert functions, discussed at Lambert W on wikipedia or various papers on arXiv might help, e.g.
arXiv:1408.3999v1.pdf

My notes are currently at
http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~keady/Seiches/rLambert/lambertWWave.pdf
Added, Oct 2015: The cwr website has been taken down. The main facts are in an arXiv preprint with Istvan Mezo
 
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