Averaging Errors: Calculating Error for 2 Values

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The discussion revolves around averaging two values with associated errors in a chemistry context. The original poster presents two specific values, each with a defined error margin, and inquires about the implications for the errors when these values are averaged.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the nature of the errors (Gaussian vs. uniform distribution) and suggest initial methods for averaging, including the use of random number generators to simulate real data scenarios. There are also considerations about the appropriateness of averaging the values given their incommensurate nature.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various perspectives on how to approach the averaging of the values and the implications of their associated errors. Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the statistical independence of the errors and the need for a weighted average approach, while others reflect on the learning opportunities presented by such inquiries.

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There is a suggestion that one of the values may need to be discarded due to incommensurability, and participants are considering the implications of error distributions on the averaging process.

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This isn't a set problem itself, rather it is just a small part of my chemisty coursework.

I have two values with known errors

a) -0.000379272 ± 1.75895E-05
b) -0.000576206 ± 4.13448E-05

What happens to the errors when i average the two values?
 
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Good question and one which too few people ask. The first question to ask is what kind of errors are they. Are they Gaussian distributed or evenly distributed? If Gaussian, how many standard deviations does the given error value represent?

You might want to start by just adding and subtracting the error values to the data and averaging and see what happens. Using a random number generator or a Gaussian random number generator might give you a better picture what you might encounter with real data. Maybe after doing it a few times you can come up with a rule for what happens.
 
Thanks for your reply. I was hoping it would be something straight-forward. It's not hugely important, so I won't put much more effort into now.
 
I know you were, but lots of times you learn a lot more by investigating little things like these and you're able to use your findings your whole career. Since very few other people investigate these things, it puts you slightly above the rest.
 
tom717 said:
This isn't a set problem itself, rather it is just a small part of my chemisty coursework.

I have two values with known errors

a) -0.000379272 ± 1.75895E-05
b) -0.000576206 ± 4.13448E-05

What happens to the errors when i average the two values?

Before you even start to do something like averaging these values, you should ask whether it makes sense to do so. In this case it does not. The two values, along with their errors, are incommensurate. It would be better in this case to throw one out than to average them. Which one? Better make another measurement.

If you insist in proceeding, you need to ask whether the errors are statistically independent and how they are distributed. You also should be careful how you do the averaging. Value (a) has a much smaller error than value (b), so the "average" should be closer to (a) than (b). What you want is a weighted average, with the value with the smaller error receiving the greater weight. One widely used weight is the inverse of the variance.

If you compute the average as the variance-weighted mean and if the errors are uncorrelated from each other, the error in the weighted mean is given by

\frac 1 {\sigma^2} = \sum_i \frac 1 {{\sigma_i}^2}
 

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