What is the energy of the scattered photon?

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The discussion revolves around the energy of a scattered photon resulting from a Compton collision with an electron. Participants explore the relationships between the angles and energies involved in the collision, focusing on the conservation of momentum and energy principles. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to the Compton effect.

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  • One participant notes the challenge of relating the electron's scattering angle to the photon's angle, suggesting that a variable seems to be missing in the Compton effect equation.
  • Another participant asserts that the problem can be solved exactly as a two-body process, providing equations for the scattered photon energy and the electron's scattering angle.
  • A different participant emphasizes the necessity of considering conservation of momentum and energy in both x and y components to find a solution.
  • One participant describes the problem as one of 4-momentum conservation, proposing a method to derive equations from energy and momentum relations to solve for the unknowns.

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Participants express differing views on the complexity of relating the angles and energies involved in the Compton collision. While some propose specific methods to approach the problem, there is no consensus on a straightforward solution or the sufficiency of the existing equations.

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Participants highlight the need to account for multiple variables and the conservation laws, indicating that the problem involves several unknowns and relationships that may not be immediately clear.

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So, while working some problems in my modern physics books, I met this question:

A photon whose energy equals the rest energy of the electron undergoes a Compton collision with an electron. If the electron moves off at an angle of 40 degrees with the original photon direction, what is the energy of the scattered photon?


The Compton effect equation is very simple, but it feels like you're missing a variable, since there's not a simple relation between the electron's angle (given) and the photon's angle (unknown). You can solve for one in terms of the other, but to do so you have to deal with the electrons momentum.

What am I missing?
 
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It is just a two body process which can be solved exactly.

scattered photon energy vs its scattering angle and incoming photon energy:

k\text{'} = \dfrac{k}{1+ k(1-\cos \phi)}

Electron scattering angle:
\cot \theta = (1+k)\tan \left( \frac{\phi}{2} \right).

The electron momentum is:
p_e = \sqrt{T^2 + 2 T m_e}

where T is the kinetic energy, i.e k = k' + T + m_e

So why is there not a simple relation?
 
ZachWeiner said:
The Compton effect equation is very simple, but it feels like you're missing a variable, since there's not a simple relation between the electron's angle (given) and the photon's angle (unknown). You can solve for one in terms of the other, but to do so you have to deal with the electrons momentum.

You have to take into account conservation of momentum (both x and y components) and energy.
 
It's just a 4-momentum conservation problem. Just equate energy (0-component of 4-momentum) and the x and y components of 4-momentum before and after collision. That will give you 3 equations in 5 unknowns. Then use two energy-momentum relations (E^2-p^2 = m^2, c=1), one for the photon and one for the electron, to reduce this to 3 unknowns. Altogether, you'll have 3 unknowns (energy of photon after, energy of electron after, angle of photon scattering) and 3 equations.
 

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